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Toxic Fandom Is Killing 'Star Wars'
Hollywood Reporter ^ | June 11, 2018 | Marc Bernadin

Posted on 06/11/2018 8:21:36 PM PDT by EdnaMode

Racist harassment of 'Last Jedi' star Kelly Marie Tran and the 'Solo' backlash: Lucasfilm’s problem isn’t the movies, it’s trolls who want only the nostalgia of their youth, like "old Luke Skywalker hiding on an island from everything new," writes columnist Marc Bernardin.

Fandom has always been an us versus them proposition. In the early days, it was because you loved something that the world at large found silly, be it comic books or Doctor Who. It was you and those who felt like you, against everyone else. Star Wars redefined fandom because it built a bigger tent than had ever existed before. Suddenly, the "everyone else" also loved Star Wars. Your mom knew what The Force was. Mark Hamill was on The Tonight Show. There was Yoda underwear. It was the first real “fan” thing that exploded into a phenomenon. But fandom always needs a “them.”

Star Wars is in an interesting place right now. The most recent film, Solo: A Star Wars Story, has been drastically underperforming at the box office. After two weeks in release, it had pulled in a mere $271 million worldwide. Analysts believe Disney will lose $50 million or more on the film, and Solo comes on the heels of Star Wars: The Last Jedi, which — despite making $1.3 billion worldwide — proved itself an incredibly divisive film. While critics loved it (judging by the 91 percent score on Rotten Tomatoes), fans were split.

Some loved the bold liberties of writer-director Rian Johnson. They understood that there was room under that big tent for characters like Vice Admiral Holdo (Laura Dern) and Rose Tico (Kelly Marie Tran), women placed alongside Carrie Fisher’s Leia and Ridley’s Rey at the center of the Star Wars drama.

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TOPICS: Arts/Photography; Chit/Chat; Society; TV/Movies
KEYWORDS: culturalrevolution; daisyridley; disney; feminazism; hansolo; hollywood; kathleenkennedy; kellymarietran; lastjedi; lucasfilm; moviereview; revisionisthistory; rianjohnson; sjw; solo; soywars; starwars; thelastjedi; toxicmarxism
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To: DiogenesLamp

Willow and Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade were good.


41 posted on 06/11/2018 9:17:26 PM PDT by Architect of Avalon
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To: EdnaMode

Like everything else, it’s political correctness that is killing it. People are getting tired of it.


42 posted on 06/11/2018 9:18:38 PM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: EdnaMode
Its Disney's toxicity to Star Wars fans that is driving them away. Kelli has not spoken for herself, so this is treating speculation as fact to attack the fans. Just as Disney has for months.

Since she is filming Episode Nine A.K.A. "Star Wars: Disney's Last Chance", she is likely under a legally binding Non-Disclosure Agreement, and can't talk at about Star Wars at all.

This SJW "accuse, attack, control" is going on in comic books, movies, board and video games, and it is really turning people off. There's a ton of stuff on youtube about it and a lot of fans are get fed up with this.

43 posted on 06/11/2018 9:19:03 PM PDT by Widget Jr
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To: Rastus

Casting is way under rated

Han Solo is a he-man-woman-hater. Bogart, Mark Wahlberg, Jack Bauer, Clint, 13 Hours’ Tanto, eh, 1976 Harrison Ford Han Solo- All of who liked particular women, but who did not bring a blow dryer in their shaving kits going into their battle zone

I know for a fact there are successful well-respected-among-men fighter pilits who had such hair grooming accessories in their flight bags on deployment.

It’s just that - no.

This movie was a feminist’s version. And it will continue to have the life sucked out of it and deserve it


44 posted on 06/11/2018 9:19:23 PM PDT by stanne
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To: EdnaMode

An idiot he is.


45 posted on 06/11/2018 9:20:35 PM PDT by TBP (Progressives lack compassion and tolerance. Their self-aggrandizement is all that matters.)
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To: tbw2

I think there are several things that are going on:

1) The Last Jedi was such a horrible movie that it effectively killed the francise. The people who rushed out to see it are in a “wait-and-see” mood for Solo, and in a “skip it” for Episode IX.

2) I don’t think Solo dieing necessarily means people won’t be interested in seeing him again — but Harrison Ford was so iconic that they really needed to (and didn’t) find a really good actor to be the Young Solo.

3) Go back and rewatch the first Star Was trilogy to study Solo’s character. He is contemptuous of Leia “Your Worshipfulness” [Mysogny! Sexism!]. He is confident and capable [Toxic masculinity!]. He kisses her without getting signed&notorized written permission [#metoo!]. In short, he is a character that Hollywood will not create today, meaning that no matter how objectively good Solo is as an independent movie, it is not going to show the character Han Solo.


46 posted on 06/11/2018 9:24:35 PM PDT by TennesseeProfessor
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To: Architect of Avalon

Willow was okay, The “Raiders of the lost ark” was good, (collaboration with Steven Spielberg) but I thought all subsequent Indiana Jones episodes were terrible.


47 posted on 06/11/2018 9:29:28 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: TennesseeProfessor

I liked “Solo,” and I really liked “Rogue One.” It’s the episode movies that have been disappointing.


48 posted on 06/11/2018 9:31:17 PM PDT by kevao (Biblical Jesus: Give your money to the poor. Socialist Jesus: Give your neighbor's money to the poor)
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To: EdnaMode
Toxic Fandom Disney Is Killing 'Star Wars'

There, now its accurate.

49 posted on 06/11/2018 9:35:04 PM PDT by BillyBoy (States rights is NOT a suicide pact.)
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To: Widget Jr
Crap like this:

Female "Warrior" of World War II in the game "Battlefield V".

The term I have recently learned describes this phenomena is "Mary sue."

50 posted on 06/11/2018 9:37:15 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Architect of Avalon
>> Willow and Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade were good. <<

Lucas didn't make those, he produced them.

Willow was directed by Ron Howard and written by Bob Dolman.

Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade was directed by Steven Spielberg and written by Jeffrey Boam.

When Lucas writes and directs, we get Jar Jar Binks.

51 posted on 06/11/2018 9:41:38 PM PDT by BillyBoy (States rights is NOT a suicide pact.)
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To: stanne

Disney made the entire origins of Han Solo to be a pussy chasing/worshipping beta orbiter to the first woman he was involved with. Who interestingly her character portrays a woman quite accurately in terms of hypergamy. Han was just a means of utility for her as long as he was around. Men are just appliances to be used and when not useful, discarded for a better, useful one.

everything that motivates his chaeacter revolves around that woman. sad and sickening plot and weak origins story.


52 posted on 06/11/2018 9:45:37 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: PLMerite

They should drop Star /bores, and start anew with something like “The Mote in God’s Eye.”


53 posted on 06/11/2018 9:46:25 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra (Don't touch that thing! Don't let anybody touch that thing!I'm a doctor and I won't touch that thing)
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To: Williams

Mark Hamill didn’t like it and neither did I. I like scifi special effects, who doesn’t. The story is another thing.


54 posted on 06/11/2018 9:46:55 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: EdnaMode

Crappy movies are killing ‘Star Wars’, plain and simple.


55 posted on 06/11/2018 9:50:15 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: EdnaMode

56 posted on 06/11/2018 9:53:10 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Literature is rife with interesting appealing loner men who have back stories. They may continue tgeir lonership with a dog or a chewbacca or they find a great gal. Either one makes a good story

Taking that premise and casting a fluffy boy with a bossy mom-earring-wearing feminist is senseless.

It will lose.


57 posted on 06/11/2018 9:53:26 PM PDT by stanne
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To: EdnaMode
Frankly-- I loved the Rose Tico character. I think that Laura Dern is a fine actress who played a stupid character. But the story sucked. It made no sense on several levels. They totally botched having Benicio Del Toro in their useless side story. Poe Dameron should have been thrown out of an airlock for mutiny. Rey is a Mary Sue Character. They turned Luke Skywalker into a whimpering pussy and totally dissed the lore of the Jedi order. Rose's sister is dead (after her Stranglovian demise) because the idiots in the Resistance ditched Y-wing bombers for lumbering targets that were explosive clay pigeons.

It's not the skin color or the sex of the characters, it's the crappy writing and direction. Remember, fan boys loved Samuel J. Jackson as Mace Windu.

Then there is the SJW crap. I was afraid to go find out why some idiot said that Lando Calrissian was pansexual. What was in the story of the new movie that even raised that question? And if there was no such thing, why bring it up at all?

58 posted on 06/11/2018 9:56:03 PM PDT by Lysandru
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

“The Mote in God’s Eye.”

One of the few SF books I’ve read. It would make an interesting film, for sure.


59 posted on 06/11/2018 9:56:57 PM PDT by PLMerite ("They say that we were Cold Warriors. Yes, and a bloody good show, too." - Robert Conquest)
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To: BillyBoy
When Lucas writes and directs, we get Jar Jar Binks.

And don't forget the stupid teddy bears.

60 posted on 06/11/2018 10:06:46 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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