Posted on 04/23/2018 1:03:57 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
Researchers have directly dated the earliest-ever fossil from an anatomically modern human found outside of Africa and the Levant. This 90,000-year-old fossilized finger rewrites traditional theories of early migration, beating expectations by some 25,000 years. Homo sapiens, the team thinks, were exploring what was once the wet grassland of Saudi Arabia far earlier than previously thought. Humans may not have left Africa in one big wave, but in a series of trickles... Extensive testing at institutions around the world revealed not only was this the finger bone of a modern human, but it was also the oldest directly dated Homo sapiens fossil ever found outside of Africa and the Levant. Researchers dated the fossil between 85,000 and 90,000 years old, which is up to 25,000 years earlier than expected for this region. The Levant historically refers to countries along the eastern shores of the Mediterranean sea, including modern-day Israel, where a number of important ancient discoveries have been made. Earlier this year, for example, scientists estimated that a Homo sapiens jaw from the country was up to 200,000 years old -- the oldest ever discovered outside of Africa.
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Perhaps if we separated over a lot more generations we would have become different sub-species, but we didn't.
Adam and Eve screwed up bigtime, so they’ve got no complain coming as to how their kids came out. :^)
I’m a big fan of Behe’s book on irreducible complexity.
Trying to connect natural selection with astronomy was incomprehensible nonsense.
The galaxies declare that, at the speed of light, the stars have been shining for much longer than 7000 years.
The age of the fossil is already estimated with sufficient accuracy, but if radiometric (not radiocarbon, another type) testing is done, the age estimate can be refined, and it won’t come out to several thousand years old.
By contrast, due to the salinity of the water, the age of the Dead Sea can’t be 100s of 1000s of years.
In addition, what is known now includes the fact that Flores Island had human residents at least 800,000 years ago, when the island was already separated from the mainland, meaning, the people got there by watercraft. The Americas are no different than any other nook and cranny of the Earth, settled and resettled by continual migrations.
“Or between a yorkie and a Great dane, but they’re the same species, Canis lupus familiaris”
AND ! Other than size I think we can all allow some ‘breeds’ much smarter than others ??.....Altho all same species ?
To your question "some breeds of dog are much smarter than others" - you of course want to ask if some groups of humans are smarter than others - the answer isn't simple, but:
As to African-Americans, I believe a lot is due to culture as AAs have a lot of genetics from various white and native American groups.
What so many seem to forget is the number of times the Mediterranean has dried up, or partially dried, and the effect that might have had on migration to and from Africa. When sea levels were dropping to around 400 feet lower at the ending of the most recent Ice Age, rafting across Gibraltar or from North Africa to Sicily would have been much easier. Then there are other discoveries like Denisovans, and Flores “man” to further raise questions that there are more answers to be discovered. The eruption of Toba around 74,000 years ago really put a dent in population, as can be seen from the much fewer human finds from then until around 50,000 years ago, when more humans appear to have left remains. There was also a noticeable dip in world temperatures around that time.
This next link to ancient temperature changes has at least one chart which very clearly shows the severe drop about 74kya which lasted for nearly 10,000 years before there was a significant increase of temperatures until the final relatively steady decline to around 24,000 years ago. That low level lasted until the sudden rapid increase starting around 18kya. For those who have discovered the studies of Firestone, et al about a possible major bolide event in the Northern Hemisphere around 13kya you will note the sudden drop for about 1,000 years known as the Younger Dryas half way up the rising temperature line.
There were clearly multiple waves from multiple origination areas to multiple destination areas with substantial intermixing.
The Neanderthal love tour of Europe is one example.
Vikings and Celts are the result of that.
"We don't know anything of the kind. There used to be a claim around that there was an eruption (Toba) that squeezed the human population down to 70,000 or so, so that may be what you were thinking about -- but it's been debunked."
Yes...it's been debunked. I pushed this theory for years. No more.
Late Pleostocene Human Population Bottlenecks. . . (Toba)
"The last glacial period was preceded by 1000 years of the coldest temperatures of the Late Pleistocene, apparently caused by the eruption of the Mount Toba volcano. The six year long volcanic winter and 1000-year-long instant Ice Age that followed Mount Toba's eruption may have decimated Modern Man's entire population. Genetic evidence suggests that Human population size fell to about 10,000 adults between 50 and 100 thousand years ago. The survivors from this global catastrophy would have found refuge in isolated tropical pockets, mainly in Equatorial Africa. Populations living in Europe and northern China would have been completely eliminated by the reduction of the summer temperatures by as much as 12 degrees centigrade. "
Do you have any special DNA info or sources for Vikings and Celts? His ancestry was predominantly Scots, but also 1/16th Cree Indian. My late husband was heavily muscled, very strong, light blue eyed, redhead, very hairy, somewhat sunken chin, long torso, short legs, volatile temper, heavy brow ridges. I suspect he was more than 4% Neanderthal, any backup info on that possibility?
Hi blam: I should have included you at my Comment #88.
“The last glacial period was preceded by 1000 years of the coldest temperatures of the Late Pleistocene, apparently caused by the eruption of the Mount Toba volcano.”
Actually, this information appears to be wrong. The last glacial period began around 125,000 years ago. See my second link at #88. However, there was a distinct drop at the 74kya point which was stable for about 10ky. Then temperatures rose to where they would have been without Toba and continued to drop as I described in #88.
This fossil of an intermediate phalanx bone, 3.2 cm long, suggests our species exited Africa far earlier.
"This supports a model not of a single rapid dispersal out of Africa 60,000 years ago, but a much more complicated scenario of migration. And this find, together with other finds in the last few years, suggests ... Homo sapiens is moving out of Africa multiple times during many windows of opportunity during the last 100,000 years or so," Petraglia said.
The discovery also shows these people were moving across the interior of the land, not coastlines, Petraglia added.
Also -
To be sure of their find and date its origins, the Al Wusta-1 bone was scanned in 3D and its shape compared against fingers bones from other Homo sapiens, other early humans, such as Neanderthals and species of primates.
Using a technique called uranium series dating, a laser was used to make microscopic holes in the bone and measure the ratio between tiny traces of radioactive elements. These ratios revealed that the fossil was 88,000 years old.
Other dates obtained from associated fossils and sediments converged to a date of approximately 90,000 years ago.
My perspective is you have not read the account of Noah accurately. There were only eight humans on the boat.
Genesis 6:18 (God speaking to Noah) “But I will establish my covenant with you, and you shall come into the ark, you, your sons, your wife, and your sons’ wives with you.”
A few verses earlier the Bible said, (Genesis 6:10) “And Noah had three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth.”
Genesis 6:19&20: (God still speaking to Noah) “And of every living thing of all flesh, you shall bring two of ever sort into the ark to keep them alive with you. They shall be male and female. Of the birds according to their kinds, and of the animals according to their kinds, of every creeping thing of the ground, according to its kind, two of every sort shall come in to you to keep them alive.”
Genesis 6:22: Noah did this; he did all that God commanded him.
Genesis 7 describes the details of the flood. It concludes the chapter with verses 23 and 24. (referring to God) “He blotted out every living thing that was on the face of the ground, man and animals and creeping things and birds of the heavens. They were blotted out from the earth. Only Noah was left, and those who were with him in the ark. And the waters prevailed on the earth 150 days.”
Genesis 7:7 says, “And Noah and his sons and his wife a his sons’ wives with him went into the ark to escape the waters of the flood.”
Genesis 7:13 says, “On the very same day Noah and his sons, Shem and Ham and Japheth, and Noah’s wife and the three wives of his sons with them entered the ark...”
There is absolutely no Biblical reference to any other human being going in to the ark. Only Noah, his immediate family, and animals and birds and things that creep upon the earth.
If you can show me otherwise, I’d sure willing to learn. God bless you and your family. PS: I have used the English Standard Version (ESV) Bible for my quotes.
There was no Toba bottleneck, more recent searching for verification of the *hypothesis* turned up evidence that was clearly not true.
The Mediterranean last dried up almost 6 million years ago, then refilled over 5 million years ago, in the Zanclean Flood. Subsequent drops in sealevel occurred worldwide due to glaciation, but by that time humans had been using watercraft for 100s of 1000s of years.
while I cannot get my Bible right this minute (left it at my Cousins when I went to visit) I use the King James Version ( Companion Bible) and the Strong’s Concordance which translates words back into the Hebrew, Greek Chaldean / Aramaic.
So, I (at this time) can only answer this way. Middle Eastern peoples cannot procreate Chinese babies, yet, the Chinese exist. Middle Eastern People cannot procreate blonde blue eyed babies (like the Swedish), but they exist, Middle Eastern People cannot procreate Ethiopians, yet they exist.
Noah and his family were “special” in bloodline because they had not mated with the Fallen Angels... My perspective on the account of Noah is accurate.
There were more than only eight people on the Ark, and as far as the animals...God made sure that (where ever He needed them to come from got there) that Apes, and Giraffe, and lions two by two made it onto the Ark.
Prayers for understanding and wisdom for you are your family, and protection in these dangerous times.
Per your Bible and mine, the only people who survived the flood were Noah and his family. All other living beings who existed on the land were killed by God in the flood.
That is clear in the passages quoted earlier.
Please show me where, in the Bible, the information in your post is supported. Thanks. God bless you and yours.
I decided to do further research on sea depths between Tunisia and Sicily and found the link below. It should appeal to your interest in sunken civilizations if you did not know this one before. Also the map shows that at the lowest water level, the distance between Tunisia and Sicily was only about 30 miles, and if you went from the island near Tunisia, only 22 to 24 miles.
We can’t link it but Steve Sailer has a good piece on this relative subject at Taki
What I can say for certain is that, ironically, almost everybody has gotten backwards the political logic of out-of-Africa. The conventional wisdom is that giving Africa geographic pride of place in human evolutionary history proves the genetic equality of Africans and Eurasians. In reality, the out-of-Africa theory implies that the main racial gap in humanity is between Africans and everybody else, which is not what you are supposed to believe (although many Americans today act, not unreasonably, as if they do believe it and kind of like it).
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