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To: kearnyirish2; Cronos
As Cronos pointed out (as have others, as well as yours truly), the Roman Empire went on until the Turks took Constantinople, and they were very interested in the learning of classical antiquity, as well as the imperial trappings, and saw themselves as the successors to earlier rulers (other than their choice of religion of course).

Rome started its conquests by taking Ostia (now Poor Man's Pompeii, but with the virtue of being an easy distance from the popular Roman tourist attractions in the old urban core), meaning the Empire started much earlier than is sometimes claimed, and continued into the 15th century, a total of nearly 1900 years. Yeah, that opening up citizenship to people from outside the citi really didn't work out, did it? The first emperor born in one of the provinces was Trajan, who began his reign in 98 AD, and he was one of the most successful, conquering the future birthplace of Aurelian, who is a favorite of mine. :^)

The use of auxiliaries began at least by the time of Augustus (generally regarded as the first emperor) who cut the regular army in half after the defeat of Anthony and Cleo, to 28 legions, and added the Praetorian Guard (emperor's bodyguards and the local police force) and 28 legions' worth of auxiliaries.

One ancient writer joked that he had to travel into the provinces to hear Latin spoken, as so many speakers of other languages had crowded into Rome; Ovid by contrast was exiled to a largely Scythian area on the north shore of the Black Sea, and wound up thinking, dreaming, and writing in the local tongue (by his own account).

If anything, the Romans were pathogically suspiicious of foreign peoples in groups -- yet they welcomed their cults into the capital and other cities (the rites of Mithras were common among Roman soldiers, so much so Mithras was called "the soldiers' god"). Barbarian tribes were considered inferior, yet were sometimes added into the Empire via conquest of new territories. The view that the Varian disaster was "The Battle That Stopped Rome" was ridiculous when it was promulgated, and looks worse with each new discovery; just in the past ten years a Roman cemetery was dug up in Copenhagen Denmark, and Maximinus Thrax was winning battles to the south of there, deep in Germany, and he had a short reign -- the Guard assassinated him during a Senatorial revolt brought on by his so-called low birth. He was as non-Roman in ancestry as could be, but was diligently adding to the Empire. His sudden removal led to the 3rd century anarchy which lasted about 70 years, and yet, surprisingly, the Empire survived that (thanks to Aurelian, Diocletian, and others).

Among the reasons for the decline of Roman power I'd list, lack of public education and/or general literacy (thus, lack of a common history and mythology); dilution of Senate authority on ridiculous acts, such as voting dead emperors and other deceased Romans into the company of the gods; sketchy banking system (all of it was private lending, similar to what the Medicis and others were doing during the late Middle Ages and into the Renaissance); no postal system worthy of the name; and most importantly, no statutory and regularized system for succession into political power for the Emperors (reform of that didn't arrive until Diocletian).

8 posted on 04/03/2018 5:04:32 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
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To: SunkenCiv; kearnyirish2
I would note that most of the greatest Emperors were of Alba Longa blood - one of the first conquests of Rome. Then later you had the Spanish Trajan as you noted and the Dacian Aurelian, Max Thrax, then the Syrian Septimus Severus etc.

opening up citizenship , as you humourously put it, worked out really well. Rome granted senatorships to families in the 200s whose ancestors fought Caesar in Gauls

Controlled immigration can enhance a nation - if it is made clear that the immigrants need to embrace the culture and laws of the land

I thought Ovid ended up in Romania, so the western shore of the black sea.

9 posted on 04/03/2018 5:32:03 AM PDT by Cronos (Obama's dislike of Assad is not based on his brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: SunkenCiv

Wow. I wish I could have a beer with you. That was just off the cuff writing! I suspect based on the depth of knowledge you are a published author.

My ametuer intrest is the eastern roman empire. Hope someday to contemplate the Golden Horn. But Turkey is just not stable enough. Hopefully that changes in the next ten years.


10 posted on 04/03/2018 5:46:35 AM PDT by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept? Vive Deo et Vives)
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To: SunkenCiv

Do you happen to have a link to the Danish Roman Cemetary discovery?

That’s incredible! I wonder if it was a Colonia or a military encampment?


13 posted on 04/03/2018 8:07:19 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (This country & world is living on borrowed time (Luke 17:26-27))
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To: SunkenCiv

Badass Basil was one of the great medieval Emperors and achieved the apex of the Empire’s power in that period. Unfortunately, after the Macedonian Emperors, the Turks would appear and start effing things up which continues to this day.


20 posted on 04/03/2018 4:00:08 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: SunkenCiv; Cronos

There is no denying that the Roman Empire fell when too many people inside it weren’t “Roman” in any sense of the word - regardless of “citizenship”. The eastern half existed as a shadow of the former greatness of the whole, slowly rotting and shrinking until the Turkish coup de grace in 1453.

For all of their “inferiority”, the barbarian tribes of the north would see a Germanic language become the international language of business today, while the hordes pouring across our southern border speak a tongue descended from the Roman Empire.


21 posted on 04/04/2018 4:12:39 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: SunkenCiv

Sorry to write this but the summary is so vague and insipidly bland and filled with platitudes and stereotypes that it is essentially worthless.


25 posted on 04/11/2018 5:58:47 AM PDT by eleni121 ("All Along the Watchtower" Book of Isaiah, Chapter 21, verses 5-9)
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