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This lady I know opened up a sandwich shop. Legal help, please. (vanity)
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Posted on 02/13/2018 2:26:53 PM PST by Leaning Right

This lady I know opened up a sandwich shop recently. She sunk her life savings into it. The location she picked wasn't bad. It was in a strip mall that had a pizza parlor, but no other food establishment.

Here's the problem. Shortly after she opened, an inspector came in and told her she must remove all her customer tables! It seems there's some law that says new restaurants without a handicapped accessible restroom cannot have tables. So she removed her tables, and her business has dropped off dramatically.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: restaurant; sandwich; tables
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To: bgill

I doubt she owns the parking lot. Handicap parking places should already be in place as well as ramp or curb cuts. If not she needs to find out from the leasing agent why.


101 posted on 02/13/2018 3:43:27 PM PST by lastchance (Credo.)
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To: Leaning Right

It’s not a new restaurant. She needs to go talk to her local elected representative to get him/her some time to get it done.


102 posted on 02/13/2018 3:44:30 PM PST by WASCWatch
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To: Leaning Right

Then I will be more candid...she needs to talk to someone like SCORE or do some time on the internet finding out all the stuff she needs to do.

A mistake like this is costly, and completely unnecessary.

Finally, I think someone would be insane to open a food establishment. As a professional sports photographer I had to carry $1 million in liability insurance. I cannot imagine what the insurance for an eatery would cost.


103 posted on 02/13/2018 3:45:41 PM PST by Vermont Lt (Burn. It. Down.)
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To: eyeamok

That would seem logical since most malls have restrooms . . . even if they are a short hike away.


104 posted on 02/13/2018 3:46:23 PM PST by Vigilanteman (ObaMao: Fake America, Fake Messiah, Fake Black man. How many fakes can you fit into one Zer0?)
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To: eyeamok

That wouldn’t be legal in my state/county. Any establishment serving food in an indoor setting with seats must have a public restroom.


105 posted on 02/13/2018 3:46:37 PM PST by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: P-Marlowe

It would depend on the lease agreement and the contract.


106 posted on 02/13/2018 3:48:01 PM PST by lastchance (Credo.)
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To: wastoute
Fill the dining area with wheelchairs with trays.

You still have the bathroom problem. Which I suggest bedpans.

FIXED!

107 posted on 02/13/2018 3:49:53 PM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: BuffaloJack

The plumbing code requires separate restrooms for men and women in restaurant/food service occupancies. I know owners often switch to one restroom being private for employees and the other for the public but that is done after the C/O is issued.


108 posted on 02/13/2018 3:50:40 PM PST by lastchance (Credo.)
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To: Vermont Lt

You’d have to do it for the love of it.

How could taking pictures of sports run that kind of risk. Does it require going out on the field, where you might be physically in an athelete’s way? Or oh, your flash made an athlete stumble and you’re liable for a million bucks.


109 posted on 02/13/2018 3:50:46 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Tryin' hard to win the No-Bull Prize.)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

You are not the only one thinking along these lines. A lunch wagon would be a much saner and safer investment if they are permitted in her jurisdiction.


110 posted on 02/13/2018 3:53:02 PM PST by lastchance (Credo.)
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To: Leaning Right

It sounds like she got her other advice from the interwebs.

Tell her to get a LAWYER.


111 posted on 02/13/2018 3:56:31 PM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I shot a lot of high end basketball. Think about an 18 Year old Kyrie Irving. falling on a photographer and having a lens break into his face.

I shot for some larger college programs that required it. I would rig lights in some pretty decrepit old gyms. One time I had a light burn out (start smoking) up in the rafters. That would have been a problem.

This is the stuff that people don’t think about, but what makes the difference between a “Pro” and a “Guy with a camera.”

I was worth every penny to watch some of the best Athletes of our generation play.


112 posted on 02/13/2018 3:56:47 PM PST by Vermont Lt (Burn. It. Down.)
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To: PMAS

There is not a fine per day. There is no C/O until building, life safety, energy, health, and accessibility codes are met. If she is able to make the needed alterations and gets a C/O then if someone alleges a violation of ADA it is reported to the DOJ. Then they start the process of responding to the complaint. Depending on their findings that’s when the fines start.

Oh and potential violations include many things that the building inspector never deals with like braille menus and knowing the law about service animals.


113 posted on 02/13/2018 3:57:10 PM PST by lastchance (Credo.)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

If you have attention surplus, sir/ma’am, maybe you would have noticed it was in “strip mall.” That ain’t food court. That’s shopping center with a row of stores all facing one way outward.


114 posted on 02/13/2018 3:57:56 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Tryin' hard to win the No-Bull Prize.)
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To: Leaning Right

I live in a town of 14k and have seen many restaurants/fast food places open and close. It is a difficult business.

Small Business Administration used to have advisory services.

Your acquaintance should definitely have done research, checked with state/county/city agencies, etc. If her shop is a franchise, the franchise office may be able to advise her.


115 posted on 02/13/2018 3:58:46 PM PST by TomGuy
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To: Leaning Right

Should have done her research. Lesson learned.


116 posted on 02/13/2018 3:58:52 PM PST by stuck_in_new_orleans
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To: Vermont Lt

> she needs to talk to someone like SCORE <

Good advice. I would not be comfortable talking to her about some of the solutions discussed here, as I am only a customer. And I’m not a lawyer. But mentioning SCORE to her is something that I can do. Thanks.


117 posted on 02/13/2018 4:00:37 PM PST by Leaning Right (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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To: Vermont Lt

Oh, so you’d be out on the basketball court shooting posed events (otherwise, falling on the photographer wouldn’t be possible).


118 posted on 02/13/2018 4:00:53 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Tryin' hard to win the No-Bull Prize.)
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To: PAR35

A state or municipality or county may have their own accessibility laws provided they are equal or more stringent than the federal ADA. For instance Florida accessibility code requires that the handicap accessible bathroom stall have a sink. This is more stringent than federal law.

For handicap bathroom she also needs to be concerned with sink height. Distance from the wall to the center line of the toilet. The controls for the sink. The maneuvering space under the sink as well as making sure the pipes are wrapped. The height and angle of the mirrors. There are some variations permitted if this is an alteration.


119 posted on 02/13/2018 4:03:22 PM PST by lastchance (Credo.)
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To: Leaning Right

You are welcome. In my old job I reviewed plans for compliance with ADAAG. That is been a year and I know there have been some changes but I still remember where to get the info.


120 posted on 02/13/2018 4:04:20 PM PST by lastchance (Credo.)
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