Posted on 12/22/2017 10:34:31 AM PST by PIF
Accidental find that could revolutionize North America Archeology
"The resulting solution contained trace amounts of uranium and thorium, which Paces extracted. After measuring those concentrates in a mass spectrometer, Paces concluded that the bones were 130,700 years old, plus or minus 9,400 years."
(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...
Whether you are convinced or not, it seems that many of those with credentials, who have actually looked and studied this find over the years, do no dismiss this find out of hand as you have sight unseen.
Some have, most agree with me.
As for “man made round stones” that aspect of the find is considered speculative as well.
If there were clear stone tools at the site, mixed with the bones, it would be an extraordinary find. But there were no unambiguous stone tools.
Actually, it was those trouble making Asians again ... the Europeans came later, or earlier depending on who you believe. Who these people were is anyone’s guess as they were here 110,000 years prior to any of the later lot.
One thing however, there are stone pyramidal ruins in SoAm that also have been dated from this period - I can’t remember where - I think it was along the Peruvian coast. Very controversial, of course, as it does not fid the modern scientific theory of gradualism.
Some of their best friends were mastadons.
Some have, most agree with me
As for “man made round stones” that aspect of the find is considered speculative as well.
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You have, of course, visited the site and studied what was found, thereby rendering your judgment about the age, condition of the bones, and the origin of the stones, correct?
No, just read the article and applied logic.
As for the other scientists, some are cited in the article.
What a wonderful world it once was when Indians and Mastadons could sit around on a Saturday afternoon and drink beer and watch professional bowling on tv.
Obviously planted by activist evolutionists...
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Or tourists looking for dope
There is a great scandal.in North American archaeology akin to that pertaining to Egyptology.
Science is out the window, as a few hardheads are preventing actual debate on when humans came to NA.
If you’re not aware, research the controversy over the Mexican site at Hueyatlaco. There was a documentary about it I saw on Amazon and at the end I was so mad I was fit to be tied, having learned that this BS has not only infected other sciences, by my beloved archaeology.
The book about it was titled Forbidden Archaeology.
If I remember correctly, mastodon bones used to be found laying on the surface in some states.
Then there was the sailor from John Hawkins’ destroyed fleet who walked from Mexico to Newfoundland and claimed he saw live elephants in the interior of what is today the USA.
Who knows what he saw - but he certainly had no reason to lie. Although there is no mention of him walking anywhere or having his fleet destroyed in the Wiki on him. Just that he had 3 principle voyages as a slaver and was part of the fleet that destroyed the Spanish Armada.
Any elephants living in the mid-16th century could have been killed or died off long before settlers arrived.
“Very interesting - no one knows who these people were - choices for that period are Neanderthal, Denisovan, Home Sapiens.”
The homos came later, at least in large numbers. Probably one of the others.
It’s pretty obvious that the Flintstones took place in California, and they had mastodons all over the place. So I don’t see the significance of this find.
Heck, you may even have some pictures from back then...
Yeah, read book, saw video.
All of current human history is based of the theory of gradualism, status quo with small changes over a long period of time. Any alterations would open too many previously closed doors, cause academic reputations to wither, funding to dry up, induce peer pressure so great that a new line of work would be in the offing.
As we see on this thread, it is not necessary to form a definite opinion by actually going and looking at the things in question, merely to read and pronounce judgment. There is a definitive book written by a guy who never looked at his material, yet it is archeological gospel today. Science is not necessary as it is already ‘settled’, just opinions are all that is need to quash any anomaly that pops up.
Modern theory does not account for any of the obvious anomalies found at various sites around the world, just dismisses them or label them not important and places them in some obscure museum case no one looks at. (Like optometric ground lens labeled ‘jewelry’ from Old Kingdom Egypt. Or classical references to seeing over the horizon by mean of a tube with an eye piece).
The sailor I am referring to was David Ingram who was set ashore at or near Tampico, and claimed to have walked clear to Newfoundland where he, and two others, were picked up eleven months later, and saw elephants on his trip. This story is reported in the book THE DEFEAT OF JOHN HAWKINS by Rayner Unwin. Chapter 16 is THE IMPROBABLE WALK.
Ingram met with Hawkins after his return, and was summoned to several courts to hear his tale.
...said Kathleen Holen, 'we intend to continue to search for similar sites and hope our findings will inspire future archaeologists to do the same.' "
Today it's still an anomaly.
Find two or three more just like it and we start to see a pattern.
Find bones of actual pre-humans from that time and the whole picture changes.
"At the same time, much of his description of the country and its inhabitants seems fanciful, at least partly cobbled together from things he had seen or heard in his travels up and down the coasts of Africa and South America (he reported encountering elephants, a beast with "eyes and mouth … in his breast," and great cities "five or eight miles one from the other", e.g. "Bariniah, a Citie a mile and a quarter long" and that the Indians called certain birds "penguins" which he thought was just one of many Welsh words they used"
“...closed doors, cause academic reputations to wither, funding to dry up, induce peer pressure so great that a new line of work would be in the offing.”
What pissed me off was the destruction of the site.
Case closed for orthodoxy. Anti-science scientists grate me worse than libs.
“What a wonderful world it once was when Indians and Mastadons could sit around on a Saturday afternoon and drink beer and watch professional bowling on tv.”
That was the 1970s, with Chris Shenkel (or whatever his name was). Not too many Indians or Mastadons at that point, though.
Thanks.
They've already stared to discredit Richard Cerutti's work....you can't make these sort of claims against the established theories.
Crocs Take A Bite Out Of Claims Of Ancient Stone-Tool Use
"In light of these findings, the ancient California and 3.4-million-year-old East Africa bones should also be reexamined with the possibility of croc damage in mind, White says. For now, the earliest confirmed stone-tool marks occur on animal bones from two East African sites dating to around 2.5 million years ago (SN: 4/17/04, p. 254), he adds".
"The range of crocodile marks described in the new study doesn’t look “especially like” damage to the 130,000-year-old mastodon bones on California’s coast, says paleontologist Daniel Fisher of the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor, a coauthor of the ancient California bones paper. No fossil evidence indicates crocodiles lived there at that time, he adds. Several lines of evidence, including pounding marks and damage near joints, point to stone-tool use at the West Coast site, says archaeologist Richard Fullagar of the University of Wollongong in Australia, also a coauthor of the mastodon paper.
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