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The World Might Be Better Off Without College for Everyone
The Atlantic ^ | 2017-12-07 | Bryan Caplan

Posted on 12/08/2017 4:46:13 AM PST by daniel1212

I have been in school for more than 40 years. First preschool...Thanks to tenure, I have a dream job for life...Yet a lifetime of experience, plus a quarter century of reading and reflection, has convinced me that it is a big waste of time and money....

How, you may ask, can anyone call higher education wasteful...those with a bachelor’s degree earn, on average, 73 percent more than those who have only a high-school diploma, up from about 50 percent in the late 1970s. The key issue, however, isn’t whether college pays, but why....

Educators teach what they know—and most have as little firsthand knowledge of the modern workplace as I do...

The conventional view—that education pays because students learn—assumes that the typical student acquires, and retains, a lot of knowledge. She doesn’t. Teachers often lament summer learning loss..

In 2003, the United States Department of Education gave about 18,000 Americans the National Assessment of Adult Literacy...Fewer than a third of college graduates received a composite score of “proficient”—and about a fifth were at the “basic” or “below basic” level....Tests of college graduates’ knowledge of history, civics, and science have had similarly dismal results....

I believe wholeheartedly in the life of the mind. What I’m cynical about is people...

Meritorious education survives but does not thrive...

Fifty years ago, college was a full-time job...[today] "Full time” college students now average 27 hours of academic work a week...that leaves 85 hours a week for other activities. Grade inflation completes the idyllic package by shielding students from negative feedback. The average GPA is now 3.2....

the demand for authors, historians, political scientists, physicists, and mathematicians will stay low.

(Excerpt) Read more at theatlantic.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Education; Religion; Science; Society
KEYWORDS: academia; college; collegedegree; education; highereducation; jobmarket
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To: Don Corleone
Most college involves little more than a structured reading list. Law, medicine and engineering are exceptions IMHO. http://college.usatoday.com/2014/10/26/same-as-it-ever-was-top-10-most-popular-college-majors/
21 posted on 12/08/2017 5:53:10 AM PST by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: daniel1212

It’s not for everyone. It’s stupid to lower standards to let some in, giving them remedial English courses and passing them in spite of failure.
Much of college is nonsense courses: White Privilige, feminism, trans-dick-chopping, and others.


22 posted on 12/08/2017 6:06:22 AM PST by I want the USA back (The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it. Orwell.)
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To: daniel1212

Yes, we are sometimes now seeing some good papers in the Atlantic. This one is a very good one.

I think it is an article in which many Conservatives might see ideas they already instinctively believe to be true, as life with their values and experience have shown them. Ours have come mostly through anecdotal experience and his have come through collecting, and studying the information.


23 posted on 12/08/2017 6:25:31 AM PST by Wuli
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To: daniel1212

“but runaway credential inflation”

Did you mean runaway colorectal inflation?


24 posted on 12/08/2017 6:27:02 AM PST by cymbeline
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To: daniel1212

25 posted on 12/08/2017 6:28:33 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Elsie

College educations don’t seem to contribute much to the things that actually allow the nation to operate. Quite often,the occupations that really keep things moving along in the economy of a nation are the important jobs that don’t pay as well as those backed up by a “do nothing” college education that really doesn’t qualify a person for anything useful.


26 posted on 12/08/2017 6:39:33 AM PST by oldtech
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To: daniel1212

90% of the students in college don’t belong there.

It’s a gigantic scam.


27 posted on 12/08/2017 6:41:48 AM PST by Jim Noble (Single payer is coming. Which kind do you like?)
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To: Jim Noble
If a job didn't need a college education in 1930, 1957, or 1983, it doesn't need one now.

Solution: Businesses should use SAT and ACT scores along with internships to identify bright and ambitious workers.

The SAT and ACT exams are well accepted as be free of racial or gender bias and are good measure of literacy and basic numeracy.

28 posted on 12/08/2017 6:45:59 AM PST by wintertime (Stop treating government teachers like they are reincarnated Mother Teresas!)
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To: wintertime

The fella in charge of the Manhattan Project helped develope the SAT. Trump will bring out the best.


29 posted on 12/08/2017 6:51:59 AM PST by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: Don Corleone
Even in the professions many of the courses are textbook based and change very little from year to year. These could easily be videotaped and students could take exams at a local approved testing center.

I hold a doctorate in one of the stem fields and at least half of my program did **not** require on-campus attendance. Laboratory and clinic rotations are, of course, and important exception.

30 posted on 12/08/2017 7:21:28 AM PST by wintertime (Stop treating government teachers like they are reincarnated Mother Teresas!)
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To: daniel1212

Then how would these leftist educators make a living?


31 posted on 12/08/2017 7:28:43 AM PST by Hotlanta Mike ("You can avoid reality, but you can't avoid the consequences of avoiding reality.")
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To: daniel1212; SaveFerris; PROCON; FredZarguna; mylife; Lil Flower; Corky Ramirez; CopperTop; ...

Some people would benefit from being in the military. Even the Army, no matter how “briefly.”


32 posted on 12/08/2017 7:40:51 AM PST by Gamecock (The greatest threat to humanity is not "out there" but "in here" in the recesses of the soul. TK)
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To: daniel1212
but for the plurality (43%), there is no amount of money that could make them give the trades a second thought.

Yeah well, hunger is a strong motivator.

33 posted on 12/08/2017 7:47:20 AM PST by BlackbirdSST (Kate's Wall, build it!)
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To: daniel1212

It absolutely would be better off if our Congress would guarantee not to ship all our industry overseas. We could have all kinds of trade schools. Leave academia to actual academics who do serious research, not “studies”—i.e. marxist indoctrination.


34 posted on 12/08/2017 9:51:28 AM PST by Albion Wilde (I was not elected to continue a failed system. I was elected to change it. --Donald J. Trump)
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To: 4Liberty; Alberta's Child; AmericanVictory; AnAmericanMother; AndyJackson; arrogantsob; ...

Graduate & Professional Degree ping
35 posted on 12/08/2017 9:52:43 AM PST by Albion Wilde (I was not elected to continue a failed system. I was elected to change it. --Donald J. Trump)
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To: daniel1212
If everyone had a college degree, the result would be not great jobs for all, but runaway credential inflation.

Thirty five years ago in southcentral Pennsylvania only the Superintendent of the School District was expected to have a Ph.D.---maybe the assistant.

Then that degree became and expectation for High School Principals.

Now it is trickling down to Middle Schools and elementary schools.

Enough already!

36 posted on 12/08/2017 10:08:25 AM PST by lightman (ANTIFA is full of Bolshevik.)
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To: A_perfect_lady
he labor market doesn’t pay you for the useless subjects you master; it pays you for the preexisting traits you signal by mastering them.

I read years ago that the Army could enlist someone who did not graduate from High School due to grade (which likely hardly allowed to happen now) as long as they went the 12 years.

37 posted on 12/08/2017 10:17:01 AM PST by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: I want the USA back
Much of college is nonsense courses:

Worst College Majors

38 posted on 12/08/2017 10:20:37 AM PST by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: lightman
Thirty five years ago in southcentral Pennsylvania only the Superintendent of the School District was expected to have a Ph.D.---maybe the assistant. Then that degree became and expectation for High School Principals. Now it is trickling down to Middle Schools and elementary schools. Enough already!

But which letters does not mean they as proficient than in the past.

Article worth reading: http://www.astorehouseofknowledge.info/w/Education_in_the_United_States

39 posted on 12/08/2017 10:25:41 AM PST by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: wintertime
The SAT and ACT exams are well accepted as be free of racial or gender bias and are good measure of literacy and basic numeracy. Up

on seeing this I felt that was impossible today. What is not free of racial or gender bias?:non:  Search results SAT test termed racist

40 posted on 12/08/2017 10:28:10 AM PST by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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