Posted on 10/27/2017 5:07:49 PM PDT by Olog-hai
Laws criminalizing consensual gay sex have been scrapped in about 25 countries in the last 20 years, but more than 70 nations still have such prohibitions, a U.N. expert said Friday in a first-of-its-kind report at the General Assembly.
And in many places around the world, lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people live in “a crucible of egregious violations” of human rights, enduring violence and discrimination, said Vitit Muntarbhorn, the U.N.’s first-ever independent expert investigating violence and discrimination based on sexual orientation. The world body’s Human Rights Council appointed him last year, in a move that met significant opposition amid deep international divisions on gay rights.
Addressing a U.N. General Assembly committee for the first time Friday, Muntarbhorn noted “a global trend toward decriminalization of consensual same-sex relations.” At least five countries — Belize, Lesotho, Mozambique, Palau and Seychelles — have scrubbed such laws in the last five years. “The gaps are, however, ubiquitous,” Muntarbhorn added. […]
Muntarbhorn’s job became a flashpoint last year, when African nations tried to stop his work. They questioned its legal basis and said the U.N. was delving into national matters and prioritizing LGBT issues over discrimination based on race or religion. …
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?? Cutting someone's privates off was more popular that executing the deviant?
If the culture is perverted, perversion will be popular for a season, until the abuses become too excessive to ignore.
However, since sodomites and those sympathetic to the perversity have taken over control of all levers of government, there will be no popular correction allowed.
But, those "supreme moralists" also tend to believe they are w/o sin and forget that in the Old testament, even the "smallest" sin was grounds for eternity in Hell. Steal a handful of grain - Hell - think unwholesome thoughts when looking at the wife down the street - Hell.
Funny how such as you are willing to ameliorate your own sins because the sins of others are "worse than that".....
Hang the pedophiles and rapists but don't make illegal what the majority of adults do despite some overreaching laws.
Knowingly spreading diseases should also be condemned and prosecuted but alas - Kalifornia says it's OK.
Which sin is less bad? Adultery was the death penalty for both of those caught in the act by witnesses. Same with bestiality. You could get away with it if you did it in private. Stealing? well you pay back what you stole. Whatever you demanded from someone had to be somewhat to the crime. Considering adultery could infect your spouse and children with STDs, I can understand why they did what they did.
If any of us - just one of the 7 billion or so souls on the earth - Christ would not have had to die for our sins. so may seem to forget that and believe that some of the less sinful are somehow better enough in His eyes that they are free to confer their own Judgement (vs. discernment with understanding that we are also sinners and fall short) on those they deem to be especially sinful.
You don’t believe in executing someone just for stealing when you can have the person work off the debt from the theft, or pay a fine for it, right? Some sins are more serious, because I can’t undo murder, or can’t undo a person’s incurable STD from raping the person.
The matter of whether or not I belong in heaven or hell is very different from the punishment for the crime. Let God sort who belongs where out.
If you are talking about private retribution, then that would be a failure to follow current law. I find it hard to believe that you are unaware that someone's moral code has been enacted into law.
I'm all for restoring what once used to be part of our legal code, before some judge chose to impose his own moral code. Look who is acting like a little dictator?
I agree with the Bible, that "All have sinned and come short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23)." That includes me. That includes you. And unless men acknowledge their own sin, they cannot begin to receive the "good news." That good news says that men no longer need to pay for their own sins in hell, but can receive forgiveness through the atoning work of Jesus Christ.
Any sin will earn hell, but not all sins have the same punishments in this life. Some require capital punishment. Others require repayment/compensation. And the execution of justice is not a free-for-all, but requires coming before a judge/elder with evidence and witnesses.
If you haven't trusted Jesus to save you from the consequences of your sins, I encourage you listen to the following gospel presentation (9 minutes). It is the most important thing you'll do today.
When I hear someone decide that a certain sin/crime should be punished more severely because someone decides that adultery (from an earlier post in this thread) is a capital offense because they have their own personal issues and want to extend their interpretation of what they think God's Will should be as "justification".
While we began our criminal/justice systems based on the sins of the Bible, not all "crimes" are sins and many sins don't classify as crimes - there is a big difference between God's point of view and ours - we fear and often react badly to that fear.
To point out one difference in how God sees thing a bit different than us, look at King David and how he cuckolded Uriah and then ensured his death (ever loyal to the end to his King) to hide his malfeasance. Men would have rightly put David to death for what he did - God took his son from him and the Bible tells us God forgave David and he died sinless.Men are faulty in how they perceive what God knows more intimately than we ever could - the "justice" of men is inconsistent and often false due to the fact that it isn't rare for those who carry out such "justice" to be venal and having their own agenda/reasons.If you look at some of the "laws" of men, for which men punish other men for breaking, you will find many that are not sins and which are punished because of some really faulty set of men have decreed, "I don't like thaaaat"...
God's law explicitly states that "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them." (Leviticus 20:13).
This isn't man's law today except in a few places. Men excuse this serious sin which requires the death penalty. And this OT sin didn't simply disappear with the new covenant. Paul writes:
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. (Romans 1:29-32)
Roman and Greek culture celebrated sexual deviancy and didn't condemn it as the captical crime it is. We have returned to those pagan values. If you read the attributes which characterize men then, you will see our own venal tendencies.
These reprobates deserve death then and they knew it (ἄξιοι θανάτου εἰσίν -- present tense). It's still a sin deserving of death and they know it. That is why they are so vindictive in their attacks against those who hold up God's standards of righteousness. Those who hold to "traditional marriage" are branded haters or worse. Evil is called good. Good is called evil.
20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! 21 Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight! 22 Woe unto them that are mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mingle strong drink: 23 Which justify the wicked for reward, and take away the righteousness of the righteous from him! 24 Therefore as the fire devoureth the stubble, and the flame consumeth the chaff, so their root shall be as rottenness, and their blossom shall go up as dust: because they have cast away the law of the LORD of hosts, and despised the word of the Holy One of Israel.
You may encounter this verse again at the end of the world.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. (Revelation 20:12)
But I hope not. Today is the day of salvation, where you no longer trust in your own works to save, but accept God's pardon. (2 Corinthians 6:2)
Just another big reason to UNdo the UN.
God also said He would give us a New Covenant where He would "forgive their wickedness and recognize their sins no more"..
Jesus died for all our sins, past/present/future if we only confess to Him and accept Him as our Savior.
Without His sacrifice, we would all be as doomed as those who broke his laws in the Old Covenant for much "lesser" violations.
What does the New Covenant say is the only unforgivable sin? Is the New Covenant any less believable/valid than the Old Covenant?
I am not going to allow you to change the subject to "unforgivable sins", since it has no bearning on this discussion. This issue was sins and the punishments required for them in this life. Even a saved believer can commit murder and be required to surrender his mortal life (capital punishment).
His eternal disposition is assured, otherwise God was a liar when he promised to forgive the eternal consequence of sin.
This post was quoted on Fundies Say the Darndest Things, a site where people rant about things posted on the internet rather than discuss them with the folks who posted them.
http://fstdt.net/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=133525
So, yeah, IIRC I rattled that off fairly quickly and it isn’t the best I’ve ever done.
Does anyone else get quoted by someone other than Katie or is she the official FSTDT quote person for FR?
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