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Ancient genomes heat up dog domestication debate
Nature ^ | 18 Jul, 2017 | Rachael Lallensack

Posted on 07/18/2017 7:55:46 PM PDT by MtnClimber

Results point to a single origin for modern canines and push back the timing by thousands of years.

Researchers chasing the origin of modern dogs find that canines were domesticated once, between 20,000 and 40,000 years ago.

The results, published on 18 July in Nature Communications1, push back against a controversial 2016 study2 that suggested dogs were domesticated twice. The latest analysis also add weight to previous research that moves the timing of domestication back as far as 40,000 years ago.

Everyone has their own idea about where and when dogs originated, says Krishna Veeramah, a palaeogeneticist at Stony Brook University in New York and an author on the latest study. “Archaeologists suggest one and geneticists suggest another — people are always getting very different answers.”

Zeroing in on a precise time and location for dog domestication has long been challenging because of seemingly contradictory or incomplete evidence. A 14,700-year-old jawbone is the oldest undisputed fossil from a domesticated dog (Canis lupus familiaris), but dog-like remains date back as far as 35,000 years ago. Genetic data show that the ancestors of all modern dogs split into two populations: one that gave rise to East Asian breeds and another that would become modern European, South Asian, Central Asian and African dogs. Yet researchers still can’t pin down when this split occurred. And they can’t agree on whether dogs were domesticated once or twice.

(Excerpt) Read more at nature.com ...


TOPICS: Pets/Animals; Science
KEYWORDS: canines; dogs; domestication
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1 posted on 07/18/2017 7:55:47 PM PDT by MtnClimber
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To: MtnClimber

When dogs were first domesticated, could they train them not to bark at the UPS delivery person?


2 posted on 07/18/2017 7:57:04 PM PDT by MtnClimber (For photos of Colorado scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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To: MtnClimber

“Everyone has THEIR own idea about where and when dogs originated...”

HIS

We (right-thinking, non-Marxist people) must make a stand. No trans-gender pronouns. I am seeing THEY/THEM/THEIR everywhere—on Trad Catholic sites, conservative sites, etc.


3 posted on 07/18/2017 8:00:03 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan (https://youtu.be/IYUYya6bPGw)
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To: MtnClimber

I read it as, “ancient gnomes,” which sounded interesting. Time to go to bed for moi........


4 posted on 07/18/2017 8:04:12 PM PDT by leaning conservative (snow coming, school cancelled, yayyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: MtnClimber; Joe 6-pack


5 posted on 07/18/2017 8:17:55 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: leaning conservative
Here's an ancient gnome for you:

Oops! My bad. I mistook 'ancient gnome' for 'ancient troll'. My mistake, apologies.

6 posted on 07/18/2017 8:18:24 PM PDT by A Formerly Proud Canadian (I once was blind but now I see...)
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To: Arthur McGowan

Agree 100%. We can choose not to be stupid no matter how stupid the world gets.


7 posted on 07/18/2017 8:20:22 PM PDT by bigbob (People say believe half of what you see son and none of what you hear - M. Gaye)
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To: AnAmericanMother; Titan Magroyne; Badeye; SandRat; arbooz; potlatch; afraidfortherepublic; ...
WOOOF!

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8 posted on 07/18/2017 8:20:24 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: Arthur McGowan

They (male and female leftists) first started doing that DECADES ago.

Got real annoying in the mid 1990s.

After a few years, political correctness was getting beat down as people were tired of tripping over words trying to find the right PC thing to say.

Even PC versions of Aesop’s fables became a gag ‘thing’.

All of this crap goes squarely on the culture’s shoulders thanks to the media and Obama starting in 2009.

I agree, don’t play along anymore.


9 posted on 07/18/2017 8:30:29 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Bill Clinton and Al Gore took illegal campaign contributions from the Chi-Coms and 'nobody' cared...)
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To: MtnClimber

... or dogs were domesticated 100,000 years ago. Or perhaps 400,000 years ago.

http://articles.latimes.com/1997-06-13/news/mn-3021_1_dog-breeds


10 posted on 07/18/2017 8:40:29 PM PDT by Flick Lives (#CNNblackmail)
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To: Arthur McGowan

>> Everyone has THEIR own idea

>> HIS

Good observation regarding gender idiocy — poor grammar to boot.


11 posted on 07/18/2017 9:11:00 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: MtnClimber

Since they were trained to alert to strangers, you’re outta luck.


12 posted on 07/18/2017 9:16:56 PM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: MtnClimber
And they can’t agree on whether dogs were domesticated once or twice.

Dogs breed with coyotes and wolves all the time. The flow of genes back and forth is constant. Wolf half-breeds were a very popular pet at one time (until that ate too many children.) Coy-dogs are a big problem around here because they are bigger than coyotes and don't seem to be at all afraid of humans (we're working on fixing that problem.)

Were they domesticated once or twice? No, they were domesticated constantly from an ever mixing pool of canine genes.
13 posted on 07/18/2017 9:44:07 PM PDT by Garth Tater (What's mine is mine.)
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian

“The Mother of Cerberus”...


14 posted on 07/18/2017 9:58:28 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: Flick Lives

“The physical evidence of fossilized bones and skulls suggests that dogs as they are known today first appeared about 14,000 years ago. Domestic cats appeared as recently as 7,000 years ago. Most modern dog breeds are at most a few centuries old.”

Whatever the age of the partnership, I’d suspect that some bright and far thinking wolves decided to earn the rewards of domestication and this agreement lasted through the hunter/gatherers phase before bteeds changed to benefit their Neolithic partners.

Yes, my dog is smarter than I am.


15 posted on 07/18/2017 10:38:57 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: a fool in paradise

I created a name for it: Lesbonics.


16 posted on 07/18/2017 11:49:55 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan (https://youtu.be/IYUYya6bPGw)
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17 posted on 07/19/2017 12:42:29 AM PDT by Bobalu ( Healthcare - someone must pay. Who should it be, and how did they get that obligation?)
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To: Tax-chick

bttt


18 posted on 07/19/2017 2:22:17 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("Everybody loves to talk about 'values' because there is no math involved.")
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To: MtnClimber

Any dog owner knows that dogs domesticated humans. We have been trained to provide food, shelter, a bed to lay upon, the occasional scritch behind the ear, and other affections. Oh, and we provide delivery guys to bark at.


19 posted on 07/19/2017 5:47:37 AM PDT by ammomajor (If 'helicopter Ben' says gold isn't money, I want more of it.)
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian

That scared me awake. ; )


20 posted on 07/19/2017 6:59:17 AM PDT by leaning conservative (snow coming, school cancelled, yayyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!)
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