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Asking for some advice - university officials pressuring me regarding FR and FB posts

Posted on 05/19/2017 7:08:01 AM PDT by Chengdu54

I'm a professor who often posts here and on FB. Two university officials are coming to my office today to speak with me about my posts. I told them this is a free speech issue. Feeling like I need legal advice. This is a public university.

Advice? Moral support?


TOPICS: Education; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: 1stamendment; fakebook; fb; fbblowback; harassment; vanity
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To: Chengdu54

Ask them to take a seat, but remain standing. This puts you in the dominant position and is intimidating to weak kneed bullies who are intent on controlling you. Never let them get the upper hand! THEY have invaded your privacy. YOU do the questioning.


41 posted on 05/19/2017 7:41:04 AM PDT by Mollypitcher1 (I have not yet begun to fight....John Paul Jones)
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To: Chengdu54

Do you have tenure?

If not get your resume up to date.

Learn the lesson...FB posts are not good for any job retention....unless they are about travel, weather, food, children


42 posted on 05/19/2017 7:41:44 AM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: Chengdu54

Assuming you have Tenure, just stick it out. Your “colleagues” will make it as uncomfortable for you as possible and eventually will fabricate a criminal accusation to justify kicking you out for which you will have to defend in court and then sue them. If that happens count on the pot of gold at the end of that rainbow and work to make it happen. Don’t quit in the face of it all.


43 posted on 05/19/2017 7:42:16 AM PDT by arthurus
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To: Chengdu54

It’s not a free speech issue, they are not the government. It’s a “that’s why we use psuedonyms” issue. At least here, on FB it’s more about remembering your audience is the entire planet and it reflects on all other aspects of your life. I know multiple people who’ve been fired for FB posts, embarrass or irritate the company and you’re out.


44 posted on 05/19/2017 7:45:09 AM PDT by discostu (You are what you is, and that's all it is, you ain't what you're not, so see what you got.)
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To: Chengdu54

Review all of your employment related documents, including your IT policy.


45 posted on 05/19/2017 7:48:36 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: Chengdu54

“You’ve got mail” check your private mail box ASAP!


46 posted on 05/19/2017 7:49:00 AM PDT by Jmouse007 (Lord God Almighty, deliver us from this evil in the name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, amen.)
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To: Chengdu54

You are being Alinsky-ed

Saul Alinsky’s Rules from Rules for Radicals

Saul Alinsky describes 24 rules in Rules for Radicals. Of those 24 rules, 13 are rules of “power tactics”:

1. “Power is not only what you have but what the enemy
thinks you have.”

2. “Never go outside the experience of your people.”

3. “Wherever possible go outside of the experience of the
enemy.”

4. “Make the enemy live up to their own book of rules.”

5. “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.”

6. “A good tactic is one that your people enjoy.”

7. “A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.”

8. “Keep the pressure on, with different tactics and
actions, and utilize all events of the period for your purpose.”

9. “The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing
itself.”

10. “The major premise for tactics is the development of
operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition.”

11. “If you push a negative hard and deep enough it will
break through into its counterside.”

12. “The price of a successful attack is a constructive
alternative.”

13. “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.”

The remaining 11 rules Alinsky describes are concerned with “the ethics of means and ends”:

1. “One’s concern with the ethics of means and ends varies inversely with one’s personal interest in the issue … Accompanying this rule is the parallel one that one’s concern with the ethics of means and ends varies inversely with one’s distance from the scene of conflict.”

2. “The judgment of the ethics of means is dependent upon the political position of those sitting in judgment.”

3. “In war the end justifies almost any means.”

4. “Judgment must be made in the context of the times in which the action occurred and not from any other chronological vantage point.”

5. “Concern with ethics increases with the number of means available and vice versa.”

6. “The less important the end to be desired, the more one can afford to engage in ethical evaluations of means.”

7. “Generally success or failure is a mighty determinant of ethics.”

8. “The morality of a means depends upon whether the means is being employed at a time of imminent defeat or imminent victory.”

9. “Any effective means is automatically judged by the opposition as being unethical.”

10. “You do what you can with what you have and clothe it with moral garments.”

11. “Goals must be phrased in general terms like ‘Liberty, Equality, Fraternity,’ ‘Of the Common Welfare,’ ‘Pursuit of Happiness,’ or ‘Bread and Peace.’”

I think if conservatives don’t press this point all week long that the man must resign, over and over and over, we are losers.
What happened here is that conservatives are being taught a lesson that they are less than human and deserve contempt. And leftists are being given training lessons on how to humiliate conservatives and if we let this happen they will be given a pass. This will be standard operating procedure.
Are there bigger battles? Yes.
But the Broken Window Theory works here. Stop letting this happen OR no conservative is safe.
He needs to be Alinsky-ed BIGLY!


47 posted on 05/19/2017 7:50:14 AM PDT by Chickensoup (Leftists today are speaking as if they plan to commence to commit genocide against conservatives.)
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To: Chengdu54

Hang tough bro! don’t let them even try to mess with your rights. You can always sue ‘em!!


48 posted on 05/19/2017 7:52:44 AM PDT by Iron head mike (If we are descended from apes why are there still apes????)
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To: Chengdu54

I am assuming they are interested in your Facebook posts? If they are also going after your Freep posts, then they may be watching you via computer stream. University IT guys can connect to your screen when it is one of their computers and on their network. That may cross the line of targeted spying on the university’s part....

So lawyer time. Otherwise, it was probably a student filed a complaint over facebook.


49 posted on 05/19/2017 7:53:51 AM PDT by VaeVictis (~Woe to the Conquered~)
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To: Chengdu54

I wouldn’t consider meeting with them alone. I’d have an attorney or at least a credible witness with me. And record the meeting.


50 posted on 05/19/2017 7:54:24 AM PDT by EDINVA
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To: Chengdu54

1) Are you tenured? If so, no worries. Do what you want, and the worst your department chair can do to you is stick you with all of the Summer Semester classes.

2) Are you on the tenure track? If so, stop posting anything conservative on Facebook, start sharing memes from Occupy Democrats on Facebook, and start a new account on Free Republic with a screen name that cannot be identified back to you. And never, NEVER browse Free Republic from a University PC. All traffic is logged by the University IT department.

3) Are you non-tenure fixed term faculty? If so, see 2 above.


51 posted on 05/19/2017 7:56:25 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Chengdu54

Any post on FR which neither identifies you nor the university is none of their business.


52 posted on 05/19/2017 7:57:10 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Socialists want YOUR wealth redistributed, never THEIRS!)
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To: Chickensoup

bump for reference on radical rules


53 posted on 05/19/2017 8:02:50 AM PDT by Robert357 ( Dan Rather was discharged as "medically unfit" on May 11, 1954.)
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To: Chengdu54

How do they know you’re even posting here?


54 posted on 05/19/2017 8:03:07 AM PDT by aquila48
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To: Chengdu54

These days, most institutions have a published policy on posting to social media. Generally, it is published in a general policy manual, a faculty/staff manual, or whatever that is referenced in your contract. I suspect that you have agreed to abide by those policies as a condition of employment, since that is common practice. You should find and read that policy and make it available to your attorney, if it comes to that.


55 posted on 05/19/2017 8:04:29 AM PDT by NutsOnYew
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To: Chengdu54

Ask Mike Adams.


56 posted on 05/19/2017 8:06:21 AM PDT by gogeo (When your life is based on a false premise...you are indeed insane.)
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To: Chengdu54

The DUer’s reported you.


57 posted on 05/19/2017 8:06:43 AM PDT by surroundedinCT
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Two of them and one of you? Don’t do it without someone else on your side in the room. Preferably don’t meet without conservative free speech council with you. There are a number of conservative organizations that will look into college free speech issues.


58 posted on 05/19/2017 8:07:11 AM PDT by Truth29
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Two of them and one of you? Don’t do it without someone else on your side in the room. Preferably don’t meet without conservative free speech council with you. There are a number of conservative organizations that will look into college free speech issues.


59 posted on 05/19/2017 8:07:12 AM PDT by Truth29
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Do you have a union? Shop steward should be there if you do.


60 posted on 05/19/2017 8:10:06 AM PDT by Lent
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