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Posted on 04/14/2017 7:11:42 AM PDT by Morgana
FULL TITLE: Angry United Airlines pilots' union issue statement denying ALL responsibility for forcible removal of doctor last week and say Chicago cops are to blame
The United Airline's pilots union released a statement on Thursday regarding Dr. David Dao's violent removal from Flight 3411 originating out of Chicago on Sunday.
The union contended that the Chicago Department of Aviation's 'grossly inappropriate response' was to blame for the events that transpired, according to the United Master Executive Council's statement.
The United Master Executive Council represents the airline's 12,500 pilots.
The statement also pointed out that the plane from which Dr. Dao was ejected was one of which that was separately owned and operated by Republic Airlines.
(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...
It has been reported that all three security officers went to find a gurney, leaving Doa alone. Then Doa returned to the airplane to get his computer(or maybe he was dazed).
How can you get a broken nose and a concussion from being pulled from a seat? Was Doa tazed?
True, they may not have exactly volunteered. The media spun this as a case of overbooking, and that isn’t what happened.
Many posters here have contended that the United pilot on this flight was involved and the captain of the aircraft has ultimate authority on board the plane. The implication being that the captain was surely involved. Facts once meant something on FR. Too many posters haven’t been living up to that standard.
FR is a site that typically has well informed and intelligent members. You seem to be an anomaly.
Pilots are ultimately in charge but I doubt the pilots get involved during the boarding process unless needed. No one to this point has claimed it was an order by the pilots to have the passenger removed. We shall see.
After beating him unconscious, the 3 bounce...cops left the little old man unattended on the floor in the jet way while they tried to locate a wheelchair. They're actually lucky he didn't stop breathing.
If he had actually died...
The UAL pilots union can complain and try to shift the blame to the neanderthal Chicago PD, but the fact of the matter is the Chicago PD wouldn't have beat this paying UAL passenger half to death if the UAL staff hadn't broken their contractual law in the first place and sicked the Chicago mob PD on this poor paying passenger whose only "crime" was boarding the aircraft after being approved to do so by UAL staff and taking his rightful seat.
United''s new slogan: "Fly the 'Friendly Skys' of United... and get beaten half to death."
Exactly. For me, what this comes down to is that Dao:
1) Paid for a ticket.
2) Showed up.
3) Was issued a boarding pass.
4) Was allowed to board the plane and take his seat.
Only then was he forcibly ejected after being told “that’s not your seat, we need it to reposition crew for a related airline.”
Really? That’s completely unacceptable at that point. And there are some United Ts&Cs for passenger behavior that certainly don’t list “we want your seat, sorry, we screwed up” as a valid reason for forcibly eject you from a flight.
Based on what I’ve seen, I’m completely on his side in this.
Flights are delayed and canceled every single day. United failed to plan and prepare. The onus is on United. They will pay for their incompetence. Pay heavily and dearly. Life isn't all rainbows and roses.
Now they are worried about their image? Must be one hell of a lawsuit pending.
Typical reaction by the clueless. Lawyers can sue a ham sandwich.
"Rights" without corresponding obligations; "peaceful assembly" just a whisker removed from the historical "reign of terror."
Billions of $ of mindless destruction of property and dozens of lives snuffed out by two legged animals.
That is the new "common" perceived wisdom of the new "normal" for the Social Contract.
The "victim" is entirely the cause of the resulting violence he claims. His attorney emotionally presents half the story, citing repeatedly only half of the laws that he claims are clear. Carefully avoiding the corresponding obligation that the law describes apply to the "victim." He initiated the confrontation.
The mentally unbalanced have no "right" to endanger the lives of hundreds. Yes, it is damned obvious.
If the "victim" is impaired, his family is most obligated to see to it that he does not injure himself or others. Neither the Airline nor anyone else can be aware that a nut job bought an airline ticket. The hapless other passengers certainly were not.
How many airline travelers would look forward to that lottery at 35,000 feet?
The best results I have seen suggested so far, and one I embrace without reservation were I on that jury, is to find American Airlines "guilty" and award the perpetrator $1...
The men who dragged the doctor off the plane weren’t ‘police’ - more like ‘security guards’. They had been warned NOT TO WEAR jackets that said “POLICE’ on the back - but I guess they liked the authority they hadn’t earned.
Don't make excuses for Untied.
Guilty by association.
“How can you get a broken nose and a concussion from being pulled from a seat? Was Doa tazed?”
There are videos of the third guy (no uniform) throwing many closed fist punches before yanking the doctor from the seat. Other passengers report the doctors head hit an armrest while being yanked from the seat. It’s why he’s motionless while they dragged him.
No tazer was used AFAIK.
He returned after getting the crap beat out of him. Does that excite you? Make you giddy and warm in an erotic manner? I’ll bet so.
Not Chicago Police. Chicago AIRPORT police. Completely different department. Chicago Police at the airport are allowed to carry guns. Chicago Airport Police are not.
And they know it and hate it because real cops get to carry guns
They still are licensed police though, just police with a big chip on their shoulder.
Drive past the entrance to a strip club and you'll get an idea...
I agree absolutely that this was mishandled, but my point (which you deflected) is that the crew accommodation isn’t a choice. Assuming there was another available flight for the crew that did not break crew rest rules, that would have been a much, much better solution.
However - your example was that an employee wanted the screen door, not that they were required to have it.
United is not blameless here, but the analogy you used is inappropriate.
A few years ago, there was an incident at O’Hare where a Chicago Airport Police officer was strutting around wearing an empty holster.
His excuse was that as a ‘real cop’ he has to qualify with firearms, and he ‘forgot’ he was wearing it when he went to work at the airport after going to the range.
Chicago Police, who are armed, then had to have a lockdown and find out where this guys firearm was, all the while lecturing him about the rules...And the Chicago Airport Police Union got involved and were quite angry about the whole incident.
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