Posted on 03/31/2017 8:25:16 AM PDT by Stopthethreat
Plus, the Freedom Caucus will get a chance to vote on the final product that comes out of Senate and committees. If they don’t like the final completed bill they can torpedo it then. Why not let it go forward now and see what happens.
Something else is at hand. It’s not that this is bad bill. They don’t want Trump to have a victory and they are afraid of the tax bill that will follow. Koch Brothers don’t want a border tax.
True conservatives, or Trump saboteurs? Neither. For most, the main motive is pleasing their donors. All else takes a back seat.
Agree completely.
So now the Constituion has been reduced to mere whimsy ?
As for the "art of the possible", we have the house, senate, and presidency, so it is possible to cleanly repeal the AHA by removing the filibuster rule.
I think most of the freedom caucus members will be happy to help move the rest of Trump’s conservative agenda, just not Ryancare. They were elected to repeal Obamacare, not put a GOP name and stamp of approval on it.
Trump should abandon this fiasco post haste. He can successfully prune and trim it as he goes, but in the meantime, concentrate on items where he will get more Republican support.
And the very worst thing he can do right now is to try to enlist democrat help to move a hated socialist program.
Reagan negotiated with and enlisted democrats, but it was for them to help him move his conservative agenda. He got them to move more towards his positions.
I’m not even sure that there is any fixing this steaming pile of a party.
The damned thing just stinks to High Heaven.
Ryan put all his positions on his website “a better way”. Remember he finished up writing them right after the primaries. Everything from Healthcare to tax reform. I’d bet Potus people know about it.
I think Trump would be wise to try to decouple repeal from replace. It is this perceived need to try to do both at the same time, that is giving the supporters of the status quo, the cover they need to obstruct repeal.
The reconciliation process was used by the Dems to sneak Obamacare in and now the RINOs are using those same arcane House rules to stall its repeal.
I would like to see Trump push for a full repeal, with an effective start date maybe six or seven months from now. That would allow time for seperate negotiations on replace, and would make it harder for the obstructionists to stop repeal and blaming their opposition on disagreements over the details of the replacement.
Maybe a replacement needs to take effect at the same time as repeal, in order to deal with those who have become dependent on Obamacare, but that doesn`t mean they have to be negotiated together.
No, repealing the ACA in one fell swoop has been reduced to whimsy.
This same GOP Congress—with the votes of the HFC and others—sent "repeal" legislation to Obama's desk a half dozen times or more.
Now that there's a President who would actually sign such a bill, no such legislation is forthcoming.
I perfectly exemplifies that absolute hypocrisy emanating from the GOP—every faction.
And the GOP—all of them, including the HFC—unanimously elected a Speaker that they—all of them, including the HFC—knew would never let a repeal bill get to the floor under the new President.
Not that it matters, of course, whether a repeal bill did make it to the floor, because now such a bill wouldn't come anywhere close to passing.
And some want to pontificate about "inconvenient truths"?
The House GOP—all of them, including the HFC—knew exactly what they'd be getting when they elected Paul Ryan Speaker of the House. And they—all of them, including the HFC—did it anyway.
The time for courage and leadership for the HFC was then—when the Speaker was being chosen. Whatever happened afterwards is moot, because the practical boundaries were set at that precise moment. And every GOP representative—all of them, including the HFC—participated in the charade.
So there's plenty of hypocrisy to go around, and the House Freedom Caucus is certainly no exception. They seem to be rather selective about when they decide to "stick to their principles", because when it came to choosing a GOPe speaker, they were 100% behind him.
It's a dog and pony show by virtually everyone involved, with no exceptions...
You bring up a good point about the Koch Bros. They are establishment status quo all the way and they want to destroy Trump and his team. This makes governing much harder for Trump and pits GOP against GOP in a way that only the Democrats could love.
I believe it was O’reily who said the bad bill was generated from the K street lobby for the insurance companies. I wish the insurance companies could stay out of trying to “fix” the system for their own benefit. Ryan should be aware of this conflict of interest and move away from it.
The free market can only save us if we opt for the free market. Anything that resembles our usual “best law money can buy” approach is what is wrong.
Unfortunately, positions are not legislation; the devil’s in the details.
Not always. He agreed to two dollars of spending cuts in the future (which Dems reneged on) in exchange for one dollar of tax increases.
Working with Dems is like making a deal with the devil.
I agree and it may be torch and pitchfork time.
“Anyone who believes otherwise is simply projecting.”
Here is my exact quote from what I posted previously: “we are stuck with socialist medicine in one form or another forever.”
In addition, he originally said, “Repeal,” period. He added the word, “Replace” when dims started to object.
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