Posted on 03/31/2017 8:25:16 AM PDT by Stopthethreat
So did they oppose Ryancare cuz it sucked or to hurt Trump? Do people like Mo Brooks really want to simply repeal or is he just bluffing and throwing us red meat knowing it wont go anywhere? People are all over the map on this and the only way we can continue winning is to be unified. I am noob and pretty uninformed on individual voting records etc. But like everyone else here I want as much of obamacare as possible GONE ASAP. I would appreciate feedback on the best strategey on achieving this goal
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So, you blame 30 people, but ignore the more numerous RINOs. Got it!
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True dat. Ryan pulled the bill from votes twice last week because he knew (private caucusing) that it would lose not by 30 Repub (HFC) votes.
But by about 100.
What to do? What to do?
Oh! I know! Don’t blame Ryan for putting together a POS bill.
But blame conservatives!
Great post! Thank you ....I agree.
I disagree with your premise. So obviously does President Trump. How do you know there were “more numerous” others against it? Best estimates were there were about 200 votes for it. In any case, it’s the FC that are bragging about stopping it.
And you know that how? Obviously President Trump disagrees.
Look, Ryan is a known backstaber but he is also the speaker of the house. Your post seems to suggest that Trump can choose not to work with him and still get legislation across. That is simply not true. Trump has no choice but to work with Ryan. His entire legislative agenda will go through Ryan as long as Ryan is the speaker. Expect many more bad bills and pray that the senate has the wisdom to fix them.
As JimRob posted a year ago, please explain how Trump is not conservative.
Good take,
Trump has a compromise in mind, and he has already committed to two parts of Obamacare, so it is a waste of time to backtrack to a full repeal —= which as you so well stated was just eyewash.
We need a healthcare that is most of all a market based system with some safety net for the poor and indigent. It clearly needs to be a federal program that reaches across state lines and yes, it is not authorized by the constitution but being pure about this is what gets conservatives in trouble. BTW, I support the conservatives most of the time but I am much more aligned with the Trump position as far as it will succeed in getting things done while the conservatives will continue to impress each other by finding fault in everything Trump does.
The key is to get what we can, reduce costs and find that compromise and if the country likes it, move to more purity in future versions.
And Ryan will not come up with this, but Trump may still be able to find the right mix.
And you know that how? Obviously President Trump disagrees.
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He does? I wonder if Trump knows that he said himself one week ago that we was done with healthcare reform? That after it failed to go to a vote twice in as many days that Trump himself said he was moving on to tax code reform.
Only to turn right around and send out tweet after bitter tweet complaining about the HFC.
My advice to Trump and Ryan? Put your money where your mouth is and hold the damn vote.
Let the RINO’s stand up and be counted. You think it’d only lose just 30 Repub votes?
Of course you don’t.
Does not Paul Ryan have absolute control over which bills reach the floor of the House?
If so, then what's the President supposed to do?
Only the House membership can select a new Speaker, and they, to a man, and including the HFC, appear to have zero appetite for it.
So we're f----d, basically, as far as I can see. The solution:
Good luck with all that. Without Step 1, I don''t see anything changing. I just see endless infighting and a coalition that tears itself to pieces. This community is a microcosm for what's happening everywhere.
Aside from the opportunist NeverTrumpers running around pissing in the sandbox, the "purists" are allowing the perfect to be the enemy of the good, and the "consensus builders" are willing to compromise in order to get the President's agenda moving.
Judging form the level of vitriol and acrimony I'm seeing (with a few exceptions such as JimRob), and even though I opposed Ryan-care, I'm being driven towards the "consensus" camp, because 1) the purists are polluted with NeverTrumpers, who are clearly feeling their oats, and 2) given what the President has accomplished so far, I trust him more than anyone else I can think of—including myself—because I don't have access to all the information he does.
Am I missing anything?
And that effectively helps derail the remainder of the Trump agenda.
Good plan...
You can tell me what you think. Don’t try to tell me what I think as a backdoor way of saying I’m lying.
No, you’re not lying. You just never considered the fact that TrumpCare would not pass with the Repubs in the House - not because of the 30 HFC members.
But because of other GOP-e republicans voting no as well.
The GOP is split into globalists and nationalists and that is the problem. All globalists must be sterilized!!
It was a POS bill.
Not sure where you got the impression that my response suggested that Trump didn’t have to work with Ryan. In fact, I’ve said exactly the opposite; Ryan IS the Speaker of the House, for good or for bad. I was simply responding to your prior post.
However, taking a bill that Ryan had already prepared (I suspect Trump and his staff had no more insight into the content of the bill than most members of the House) - one that Ryan was trying to ram through the legislative process on a completely unrealistic timeline - and hanging his “Repeal and Replace” promise on it was not a good move.
Freedom Caucus = Cruzbots
Cruz’s desire for 2020 is behind
stalling the Trump agenda.
Trump will out him and humiliate him once again. IMHO
Agree that classical Conservatives are extinct in Congress. But some are closer than others.
Trenton Franks House Arizona close.
Those of us who realize the slow morphing of Classical Conservatism to Rino tinged with either Liberalism (Ivanka/Jared) or tinged with Libertarianism (Rand and Ron Paul) must keep harangueingsp? so we can get back to Conservatism’s basics.
Not a plan. It’s the default disaster that will naturally happen after the rainbow colored dreams of the federal government “taking care of everyone” fades away.
The rest of Trump’s agenda is at high risk as long as he pushes big government solutions and or as long as Ryan, McConnell & the big government GOPe globalist cabal are controlling the train. They are 100% opposed to each and every item of Trump’s agenda (except keeping socialist healthcare in place—and the conservative members hate that).
That’s the problem. And it’s one of the biggest problems facing Trump and I can only hope there’s a plan to overcome it.
Unless Trump can quickly and effectively shift into a Reagan-esque great communicator, great negotiator, great charismatic leader mode, he’s not going to make much headway. Twisting arms, butting and busting heads LBJ style will not work. He doesn’t have nearly enough of the congress behind him. It’s going to take salesmanship and time. This is not a 100 day deal.
Bottom line, even though we have delivered Republican majorities in the house and senate and a non-establishment president, our job as voters is far from complete. Our Republican majorities hate their president and his “America first” agenda and they are refusing to move it.
The GOPe is every bit the enemy of freedom as are the democrats.
Freedom is never more in peril than when congress is in session.
We the tea party people made much progress during the last several elections cycles, but we can’t rest yet. There is much Cantorizing left to do.
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