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Posted on 03/06/2017 11:19:49 AM PST by Morgana
Christian bakers who lost their store and were fined $135,000 for declining to make a cake for a same-sex wedding brought their case before the Oregon Court of Appeals Thursday in an attempt to overturn the judgment.
Aaron and Melissa Klein, owners of Sweet Cakes by Melissa in Gresham, Oregon, said they simply want the freedom to live by the tenets of their faith.
“We just want the government to tolerate and accept differences of opinion, so we can continue to follow our faith,” Mrs. Klein said at a press conference following hearing. “We hope that, even if people have different beliefs from us, that they will show each other tolerance and that we can peacefully live together and still follow our faith. That’s all we want.”
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take it SCOTUS and by the time it gets there the court would be more in their favor
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So, who ratted them out anyway. I thought they had dealt with this “couple” previously and thought I heard that the “couple” wasn’t concerned. Did someone overhear something and take it upon themselves to stand up for the “couples” uh, rights? Still BS no matter what.
Trump hasn’t changed this. I don’t see how he can. The mental illness has infected millions; it is in the court system; it drives lawyers.
“We are in Trump’s America now..”
The ruling was based on an Oregon state law, not federal law.
Agreed. But I would have sold the cake to them.
If selling to them is a sin, so is sitting here typing instead of risking our lives to block abortion clinic doors.
I delivered pizza to lots of mafioso wen I was younger.
Maybe they were celebrating a hit :) I still had to deliver.
We won’t give up microsoft windows here, many of us, yet he is in complete agreement with birth control/abortion.
Need to pick and choose fights.
I know there’s a double standard with muslim bakeries, but you have to live in what’s the reality of the situation, not what you’d like it to be.
SCOTUS likely won’t hear it, as they turned down an almost identical case from New Mexico years ago.
A state official took up the cause. Oregon is full of politicians who are anti-Christian.
Oregon citizens voted for traditional marriage. Oregon officials colluded with Obama officials to obstruct implementation of the peoples choice. Not saying Oregon voters are all dumb but they keep voting democrat.
OK thanks for reminding me
Can’t they appeal to federal?
Also how many heterosexuals were denied a same-sex wedding cake? Did their lawyers think outside the box and ridicule all these claims?
This should be a federal case of discrimination and denial of rights based on religion. And Trump’s DOJ can do something about it.
A business that provides goods and services is in effect providing sponsorship. Is it okay if the happy couple tells all their gay friends to frequent your business, and it becomes the “go to” bakery for gay weddings? Or if they place a placard stating “this wedding cake provided by Melissa’s cakes”?
When they order you to sponsor their gay pride march with a banner and monetary donation, and then, to actually march in it, should you do that, too?
I agree with you, we should be more actively resisting abortion, etc., rather than just sitting here typing against it. But a lesser form of resistance is still resistance. I can’t agree that it’s the same as condoning or participating in the activity itself, but I really think sponsorship is.
And I also agree that when mafiosis order pizza, they’re just eating a meal, as any human being must; you’ve no way of knowing whether they’re celebrating a particular event / crime/ sin.
BUT if you KNOW a sin is specifically being celebrated, then yes, conscience may—and should—take precedence in a refusal to condone/ sponsor/ participate in the specific activity.
There was another less publicized case where a bar owner was bankrupted by the Gaystapo. Some drag queens began frequenting his country-western/ biker bar, and at first he just served them like any customers.
Their numbers increased and soon they were scaring off his regular clientele and demanding to hold drag shows. He made the mistake of telling them to take it elsewhere, his wasn’t a gay bar, it was country-western. Lawsuit ensued, he’s out of business.
IIRC this happened in Oregon as well; perhaps I’m mistaken.
So, yeah, you’re correct in your basic point: where does one draw the line?
That’s always a hard question.
My 2c worth. Be well, FRiend.
“So, who ratted them out anyway. I thought they had dealt with this “couple” previously and thought I heard that the “couple” wasn’t concerned.”
The “couple” ratted them out and claimed emotional trauma worth the $135k. These lesbians liked these bakers as long as they obeyed orders but destroyed their lives as soon as the Kleins failed to comply with the demands of their betters. The “couple” are not nice people, just typical fascist Ctrl-Left thugs. They are what liberalism today has become, and they were traumatized by hearing Leviticus of all things - Leviticus in public!
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http://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/2015/07/sweet-cakes-by-melissa-didnt-just-deny-a-lesbian-couple-service-they-also-doxxed-them-and-their-kids.html
[Note: This is a sympathetic portrayal of the case, to put it mildly.]
“The BOLI Final Order awards $60,000 in damages to Laurel Bowman-Cryer and $75,000 in damages to Rachel Bowman-Cryer for emotional suffering stemming directly from unlawful discrimination. The amounts are damages related to the harm suffered by the Complainants . . .”
“The information outlined in the ruling makes it clear that the Bowman-Cryers suffered emotionally as a result of the refusal and the subsequent media attention. And the refusal wasn’t as polite as Wilson claims it was—the Kleins quoted Leviticus at them. Rachel was sent into a spiral of anxiety and depression and Laurel was at a loss . . .”
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