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Jefferson Statue Smeared With ‘Blood’ At William & Mary
Daily Caller ^ | February 13, 2017 | Rob Shimshock

Posted on 02/15/2017 8:16:57 AM PST by C19fan

A William & Mary student posted two pictures of a Thomas Jefferson statue stained with fake blood and a message reading: “Overseen: TJ caught with the blood of all the people he owned on his hands.”

(Excerpt) Read more at dailycaller.com ...


TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: leftismoncampus; race; statue; thomasjefferson; vandalism; virginia; wandm
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To: Bull Snipe
Half a dozen or more of Jefferson's slaves traveled to Paris to serve him there. For all intents and purposes they were free to come and go as they pleased there when they had time off. I believe they all returned to Monticello.

ML/NJ

21 posted on 02/15/2017 9:43:27 AM PST by ml/nj
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To: Ohioan
The notion of having the welfare of the needy under the purview of the "tithing" of the (Church?) community is attractive.

However...

"To those who are able to help themselves a little, or have friends from whom they derive some succours, inadequate however to their full maintenance, supplementary aids are given, which enable them to live comfortably in their own houses, or in the houses of their friends. Vagabonds, without visible property or vocation, are placed in workhouses, where they are well clothed, fed, lodged and made to labour."


That sounds a bit like, at best, a share cropped feudal arrangement - and at worst "from each according to their ability, to each according to their need".


22 posted on 02/15/2017 9:48:27 AM PST by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: ml/nj

two of the slaves with Jefferson, in Paris, were Sally Hemings and her older brother James. Both were paid while in Paris with Jefferson. Both returned to Monticello with Jefferson. James became the house cook at Monticello for a while. He was given his freedom in 1796 after training his younger brother to cook for Jefferson. Sally remained a slave at Monticello until after Jefferson’s death when she was allowed to leave Monticello and live with her sons, near Charlottesville.


23 posted on 02/15/2017 10:32:02 AM PST by Bull Snipe
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To: HLPhat

yes he lived in the reality of his time. He sold 71 slaves in the 1780 and 90s to pay off debt. When Jefferson died, within a few months, all of the Jefferson estate,s slaves were sold to satisfy the debts that Jefferson had outstanding at the time of his death.


24 posted on 02/15/2017 10:42:46 AM PST by Bull Snipe
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To: Bull Snipe

>>all of the Jefferson estate,s slaves were sold to satisfy the debts that Jefferson had outstanding at the time of his death.

I get the feeling Jefferson might’ve freed more of them if he could.


25 posted on 02/15/2017 10:49:51 AM PST by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: HLPhat

You surely would not prefer Federally funded public housing projects, or subsidized Section 8, housing. What the Vestrymen provided was not similar to that. It was all based upon local arrangements, by people able to vet all relevant aspects of the situation.


26 posted on 02/15/2017 10:51:32 AM PST by Ohioan
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To: Ohioan

>>by people able to vet all relevant aspects of the situation.

Sounds good as long as they don’t start assuming dominion over the thoughts and faith of others bestowed within their purview...

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Reductions+Paraguay+beautiful


27 posted on 02/15/2017 10:56:48 AM PST by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: Ohioan
...and eating all the Apples and drinking up all the milk and whiskey in the farmhouse, again...


28 posted on 02/15/2017 11:12:12 AM PST by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: HLPhat

Quite possibly.


29 posted on 02/15/2017 11:13:32 AM PST by Bull Snipe
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To: HLPhat
You know there are--and always have been--people who through no fault of their own, really are dependent upon other's largesse. Marx & rule by the mob are not the relevant factor in what Jefferson is talking about. The key point in what I posted is that no native Americans in that era were beggars. Walk down the main street in the downtown section in any even moderate sized American city today, and witness what the contemporary Left has wrought on our society.

The cult of egalitarian fantasy & faux grievances was not acceptable in Jefferson's Virginia. (But they did not let those who really were incapacitated starve.) It is the difference between charity & corruption of the susceptible--very, very different approaches.

30 posted on 02/15/2017 1:33:48 PM PST by Ohioan
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To: Ohioan

>>Marx & rule by the mob are not the relevant factor in what Jefferson is talking about.

Jefferson was talking about the fallible and uninspired who assumed dominion over the faith and resources of others.

The folks doing that hadn’t indoctrinated Marx yet, but the nature of manipulating the sheeple through bread, circuses, and the state-established teat had seen numerous historical implementations.


31 posted on 02/15/2017 2:15:17 PM PST by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: HLPhat
Jefferson is talking about a locally controlled and directed, parish by parish, Church organized program where (basically) the wealthiest farmer in a district took personal responsibility for helping the genuinely needy.

No one was taking dominion over anybody's Faith--remember it is Jefferson, in his one book, who is doing the reporting here.

The whole point is that the system worked because it was not run by distant, centralized authority. It began and ended, basically, at home. It is simply an example of what works when kept local, where particular individuals are personally responsible, and always fails when administered by theorists, working off of check lists and whatever, from a distant bureaucracy.

32 posted on 02/16/2017 8:52:40 AM PST by Ohioan
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To: Ohioan

>>The whole point is that the system worked because it was not run by distant, centralized authority.

Why did it stop working then?


33 posted on 02/16/2017 8:54:27 AM PST by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: HLPhat
It was replaced in stages by politicians such as FDR & LBJ in our era, seeking to pose as public benefactors. It is a process similar to what the crack pots have done to medicine since LBJ--replacing the over two thousand year old oath under which Doctors never refused treatment to one who could not pay, as a matter of honor, with the present materialist corruption. Or consider the decline in the quality of public education, as direction became centralized outside the neighborhood.

And if you do not think public education has been dumbed down over the past century & a quarter, compare McGuffey's Sixth Reader with the 12th Grade reading level in a contemporary urban high school.

Of course, we are not producing people of the Founding Fathers' level, to lead us back onto the right track. Trump for all his sometimes rough forms of expression, shows the closest thing to actually understanding the dynamics of human interaction, that we have seen in a long--very long--time. God Bless his efforts. It may be our last chance to salvage a heritage that has been systematically attacked by the enemies of liberty, for several generations.

34 posted on 02/16/2017 9:19:41 AM PST by Ohioan
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To: Ohioan

>>not run by distant, centralized authority. It began and ended, basically, at home.

I’ve observed localized examples where the city, city council, and developers have a cozy relationship where the city housing authority appears to own a substantial majority of the rental properties under their purview.

In those same cities, I’ve seen individuals whose drive time to the building where their religiously-associated social club meets is longer than the time they’re willing to spend practicing the music they perform on Sundays. They don’t live, or work, (or play music very well) together.

What constitutes (or constituted) a parish? - that’s probably a key factor.


35 posted on 02/16/2017 9:31:18 AM PST by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: Ohioan

>>as direction became centralized outside the neighborhood.

Mmm hmm. Neighborhood = Parish.

Where people lived, worked, played - together.

Those of us who lived through the forced busing festivities circa 1970-72 had a front row seat to how those neighborhood communities were deliberately destroyed.


36 posted on 02/16/2017 9:36:14 AM PST by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: HLPhat
Those of us who lived through the forced busing festivities circa 1970-72 had a front row seat to how those neighborhood communities were deliberately destroyed.

You are right about that deliberately. The Left is not about idealism, benevolence, kindness or compassion. It is driven by a deep & unquenchable loathing for reality. Until more on our side recognize the neurotic drive to force a denial of reality on the rest of us, we will remain--as a group--on the defensive.

37 posted on 02/16/2017 9:52:18 AM PST by Ohioan
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To: Ohioan
>> The Left is not about idealism, benevolence, kindness or compassion. It is driven by a deep & unquenchable loathing for reality. Until more on our side recognize the neurotic drive to force a denial of reality on the rest of us, we will remain--as a group--on the defensive.

Yep.

“Are you concerned that Neil Gorsuch belongs to a far-left church?”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3523436/posts

Thus we should be very concerned in light of how the parish, and its doctrinal subversion, impacts the population - local and otherwise.

38 posted on 02/16/2017 10:02:31 AM PST by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: HLPhat
Not sure why you inject the Supreme Court nominee into this thread about the Leftist desecration of a Jeffersonian memorial.

Millions of American Conservatives, who do not want to abandon the theology of their families, have found themselves in Churches where the contemporary prelates, seminarians & ministers, have basically abandoned theology--any theology--for contemporary Leftwing humanist folly. Gorsuch has a Conservative history, going back to his prep school days. In that he brings to mind some very distinguished scholars--also ones with a sense of very dry, American humor. His church membership has nothing in common with Obama seeking out an American hater for a pastor.

I look forward, with great optimism, to his taking his seat on the Court!

39 posted on 02/16/2017 10:30:47 AM PST by Ohioan
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To: Ohioan

“Joshua Goodbaum served as a clerk for Gorsuch in 2009, and now works as an attorney. He told Reuters on Friday that on the week of his 2014 “wedding” with his partner, Gorsuch expressed his support.

“He said, ‘This is a wonderful thing. You’ll see how your relationship grows,’” Goodbaum recalled.“

http://christiannews.net/2017/02/07/former-law-clerk-for-supreme-court-nominee-says-gorsuch-supported-his-gay-marriage/


Is it true that Gorsuch said ‘This is a wonderful thing.' regarding the the homosexual "marriage" of his law clerk?

What does that say about how he's likely to rule on any case regarding the continued homosexual subversion of American culture?

40 posted on 02/16/2017 10:44:06 AM PST by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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