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An open letter to men, who can help female runners feel safe
NT News ^ | December 6, 2016 | Carolyn Tate

Posted on 12/06/2016 11:08:19 AM PST by conservative98

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To: conservative98

Dear Carolyn-

Grow up and stop whining about everything
Carry a pistol when running if you are afraid
Don’t run in bad neighborhoods or other areas know to be dangerous...

If you won’t/can’t do those things, stay home and run on a treadmill...


21 posted on 12/06/2016 11:17:42 AM PST by Texan5 (`"You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to drive a hard line"...)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

my thoughts too.


22 posted on 12/06/2016 11:17:50 AM PST by manc ( If they want so called marriage equality then they should support polygamy too.)
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To: conservative98

If you don’t want us to yell out: “nice tits” then don’t run topless


23 posted on 12/06/2016 11:17:57 AM PST by SGCOS
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To: conservative98

I help where I can. I teach basic firearm safety along with situational awareness and close quarters gun reaction.

Some ways the female runner can help herself:

Don’t run after dark
Do carry (pistol preferred, taser, pepper spray, baton/flashlight - something)
Run with a companion (friend or dog)
Don’t run with headphones in your ears
Practice situational awareness
Keep your head on a swivel.
Learn the basics of how to break fingers and poke out eyes. Further be willing to do so in a fight.
Also get training on how to get out of (rear grab, hand grab, rear choke)


24 posted on 12/06/2016 11:19:08 AM PST by taxcontrol
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To: Mears

my daughter is a cross country runner for her school, and I go out with her. Sometimes bike, car, or run beside her for some of the way LOL, depending on what route she takes. Now saying that she wants equality then take it.
Take what comes and carry a sidearm.


25 posted on 12/06/2016 11:19:36 AM PST by manc ( If they want so called marriage equality then they should support polygamy too.)
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To: conservative98
If a woman is wearing headphones, and you absolutely must approach her for some reason, do it from the front.

I must be a dummy. If I were worried about my safety, and perhaps something going wrong near me, I wouldn't wear headphones. Being unable to hear anything except music seems like it would be a really bad idea if you actually believed there was any potential danger around you.

In fact when I am outside I always look around and listen, just in case something happens that I want to be aware of before it happens to me.

Maybe the person who wrote the article needs to take some responsibility for their own safety and feelings.

26 posted on 12/06/2016 11:19:38 AM PST by freeandfreezing
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To: conservative98
When we go out running, we are putting ourselves in a vulnerable situation. We’re out of our comfort zone, and often on our own.

Otherwise known as stupidity.

27 posted on 12/06/2016 11:19:48 AM PST by Stentor
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To: conservative98
• If a woman is wearing headphones while she's out running, or biking, or whatever ... she's a complete idiot, and begging for trouble. Take of your headphones and listen to the world around you. It's called "situational awareness". Learn it. Live it. Love it.

Give us a wide berth when you’re passing and share the footpath. Even better, step off to the side. You already have global domination

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHahahahahahaha!!!! Get over yourself. YOU share the footpath, bitch!

Oh, yeah ... if you want to actually be safe, instead of merely feeling safe ... QUIT VOTING FOR LEFTIST GUN-CONTROL-FREAK POLITICIANS!!!

28 posted on 12/06/2016 11:23:18 AM PST by NorthMountain
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To: Moltke
Why doesn’t she just get her exercise in the kitchen...making sammiches...?/

If she made you a sammich ... would you actually eat it?

29 posted on 12/06/2016 11:24:20 AM PST by NorthMountain
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To: conservative98

My first impulse was to ‘roll my eyes’ but then I kept reading. Many of her points are valid, and are what used to be called common sense or courtesy . Much of this courtesy was for any person, but a special brand of that civilized behavior was/is meant for men toward women. That’s mainly how I was raised.
This was long before women began demanding to be treated exactly like men in almost every situation.

That change in social expectation should not change the basic facts of getting along with people. Treat others as you would wish to be treated, or as you would wish the women in your family to be treated. When I became a teenager, I was taught there are right ways and wrong ways to shop, if you don’t want to arouse suspicion of store clerks on the lookout for shoplifters. As a teen, I learned there are ways to avoid most suspicion of the cops, on the lookout for people running away from the law. Some folks do need to learn what personal boundaries are. I always assume a woman wants a little more space, a little less eye contact unless she indicates otherwise, or unless the situation requires more.
I keep joking that we need to invent a modern version of the Charm Schools that Sears and Roebuck used to offer to the public.


30 posted on 12/06/2016 11:24:22 AM PST by lee martell
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To: MarineBrat

Exactly.

I don’t have any problem treating women deferentially in matters like this, because even if there is a large percentage of women who cannot grasp reality, there is a subset that does, and appreciate the protection a man can offer.

But the truth of the matter is (and this woman probably knows it but can’t bring herself to accept it) that if something bad happens and she doesn’t have a weapon, unless she is one of the privileged small percent that has all these things going for her, things are going to go badly if someone wants to do her harm:

Has the time, money, and desire to work to a high level of fitness

Take martial arts courses

Have the inclination to use that training

Have the luck to catch a male aggressor either incompetent or off-guard

Have the training she has received work for her the first time in a crisis

There are far too many women who subscribe to the Hollywood BS that a woman can go out and take on 3 or 4 men in physical combat (all of whom can be highly trained and at the apex of male fitness) and not only prevail, but walk away leaving all of them lying on the ground holding their crotch in pain. There are a lot of women who actually BELIEVE that.

It is stupid and dangerous. The point is, ladies, you cannot have it both ways. You cannot trumpet the dogma that the only thing holding women back in any endeavor, mental or physical, is the lack of opportunity.

There is a thing called reality.


31 posted on 12/06/2016 11:24:49 AM PST by rlmorel (Orwell described Liberals when he wrote of those who "repudiate morality while laying claim to it.")
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To: SJSAMPLE

You have nailed it, exactly. Nicely said.


32 posted on 12/06/2016 11:25:42 AM PST by DC Bound (www.claytonlindemuth.com)
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To: conservative98
I'm pretty sure this is projection


33 posted on 12/06/2016 11:26:17 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true, I have no proof, but they're true.)
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To: rlmorel

I’ll also say how about some women show some class when they are in public. Wearing tank tops and yoga pants make you look naked. Do you run around in a bathing suit in the woods? Nope. You wear clothes. Just because you can do something doesn’t mean you should. You have to to take your clothes off to go running. Show some class.


34 posted on 12/06/2016 11:26:20 AM PST by conservative98
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Yep. Excellent article until near the end. Then the author went off the rails.


35 posted on 12/06/2016 11:26:31 AM PST by Leaning Right (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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To: I want the USA back

You have a gift... a rare eloquence.


36 posted on 12/06/2016 11:26:55 AM PST by DC Bound (www.claytonlindemuth.com)
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To: conservative98

Don’t run alone. Leave the headphones at home. Wear some steel toe boots when you run. Pack some heat. Wear a sports bra.


37 posted on 12/06/2016 11:26:57 AM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: AU72

I was thinking the same thing. So is a stationary bike at home. Aside from mashers, there are other issues with women and MALE joggers in Australia: dingos and a truly amazing assortment of venomous snakes along with careless or intoxicated drivers come to mind.


38 posted on 12/06/2016 11:27:12 AM PST by ZULU (We are freedom's safest place!!!! #BOYCOTT HAMILTON!!! #BOYCOTT NEW YORK CITY!!!!!!!)
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To: blueunicorn6

Thing is, I wouldn’t have a problem standing up for a woman not known personally to me. I would do it as a matter of default, but I know that comes from a different type of upbringing.

But the scorn, derision, and absolute contempt some women would show for a man that would do this is beyond irritating.


39 posted on 12/06/2016 11:27:24 AM PST by rlmorel (Orwell described Liberals when he wrote of those who "repudiate morality while laying claim to it.")
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To: conservative98

I was on Third street just north of downtown Seattle about 8 years ago just walking along. I noticed this 20 something young woman walking behind me and struggling to “keep up” but always just a step or so behind me. Remembering that it is a bit of a “dicey” area, I turned around and said something like, “Hey, if you want me to walk next to you and it will make you feel safer, I’ll do that.” She had a sheepishly relieved smile and that’s what we did for about three blocks. I don’t even remember what we talked about, but it felt good to help.


40 posted on 12/06/2016 11:27:27 AM PST by Mr. Douglas (Today is your life. What are you going to do with it?)
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