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How Cubans Live as Long as Americans at a Tenth of the Cost
The Atlantic ^ | 11/30/2016 | James Hamblin

Posted on 11/30/2016 8:26:54 PM PST by SeekAndFind

On public-access TV in 1985, Bernie Sanders defended an element of Fidel Castro’s regime: It was rarely mentioned that Castro provided health care to his country. Sanders grumbled that the same could not be said of then-President Reagan.

The comment came back to haunt Sanders in the wake of Castro’s death. On Sunday on ABC’s This Week, host Martha Raddatz played the old clip and then asked Sanders if he was aware that “this was a brutal dictatorship despite the romanticized version that some Americans have of Cuba.” She reminded Sanders that Castro rationed food and punished dissidents, then hit him with the big question: “So have you changed your view of Castro since 1985?”

Sanders said he didn’t exactly remember the context for his comment (being 31 years ago) but that Cubans “do have a decent health-care system.”

Many consider it more than decent. After a visit to Havana in 2014, the director-general of the World Health Organization Margaret Chan called for other countries to follow Cuba’s example in health care. Years before, the World Health Organization’s ranking of countries with “the fairest mechanism for health-system finance” put Cuba first among Latin American and Caribbean countries (and far ahead of the United States).

Cuba has long had a nearly identical life expectancy to the United States, despite widespread poverty. The humanitarian-physician Paul Farmer notes in his book Pathologies of Power that there’s a saying in Cuba: “We live like poor people, but we die like rich people.” Farmer also notes that the rate of infant mortality in Cuba has been lower than in the Boston neighborhood of his own prestigious hospital, Harvard’s Brigham and Women’s.

All of this despite Cuba spending just $813 per person annually on health care compared with America’s $9,403.

(Excerpt) Read more at theatlantic.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Health/Medicine; Society
KEYWORDS: cuba; healthcare; sanders
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To: Telepathic Intruder

That’s beyond disgusting. Guess my friend/ex supervisor was right. I’m sure the msm has printed this picture a thousand times /s

My supervisor was gay and me being a caveman, we knocked heads a couple of times (wrong phrase!!).

But he voted conservative regardless of the gay issue because he realized how small it was compared to having communism.


61 posted on 11/30/2016 9:33:28 PM PST by dp0622 (IThe only thing an upper crust conservative hates more than a liberal is a middle class conservative)
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To: SeekAndFind

Anyone who believes statistics coming from a communist country is an idiot.


62 posted on 11/30/2016 9:33:42 PM PST by RedWulf (Trump:Front Lines. Obama: Back Nine. Hillary:Nap Time.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Eating too much kills 10 times more people than those who eat less. So it is not surprising Cubans live as long as Americans. In reality they should live longer.

Both my grandfathers in India lived past 95. My mother lived to age 103. All of them ate way less food than we eat in America, and their medical services were primitive as well, compared to modern day American standards.


63 posted on 11/30/2016 9:37:44 PM PST by entropy12 (Please Mr President, I am already tired of winning too much! Can we lose just 1, appoint Mitt?)
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To: SeekAndFind

The same way we believe thechocalate ration has been increased to 25 grams from 30 grams.


64 posted on 11/30/2016 9:38:18 PM PST by Professional Engineer (I'll go with a 40 or 45. That 44 is for wimps.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Go to youtube and search Cuban hospital if you want to see the actual state of Cuban healthcare from dissident videos. It isn’t even up to safe, let alone “good”!!!


65 posted on 11/30/2016 9:41:22 PM PST by LTC.Ret
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To: wiggen

We eat too many foods rich in fat & protein compared to Cubans. And we walk much less than an average Cuban. Yet we manage to live as long as the Cubans with our superior medical & health facilities.


66 posted on 11/30/2016 9:41:28 PM PST by entropy12 (Please Mr President, I am already tired of winning too much! Can we lose just 1, appoint Mitt?)
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget

67 posted on 11/30/2016 9:44:15 PM PST by entropy12 (Please Mr President, I am already tired of winning too much! Can we lose just 1, appoint Mitt?)
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To: SeekAndFind

I can get:

Ketchup on fries.

Ice Cold Beer

Ice in my soft drink

57 channels.

Porn, poetry and go to rock concerts

Drunk, High or Successful

Whatever....


68 posted on 11/30/2016 10:04:06 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through you're anyway - "Enjoy Yourself" ala Louis Prima)
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To: SeekAndFind; All
"All of this despite Cuba spending just $813 per person annually on health care compared with America’s $9,403."

Since the states have never delegated to the feds, expressly via the Constitution the specific power to regulate, tax and spend for INTRAstate healthcare purposes, the states are hereby challenged as follows.

Ultimately depending on what a given state’s legal majority voters want, the states are challenged to come up with a better healthcare program than Cuba's that costs less than $813 per person.

The states will be able to finance their individual healthcare programs after they work with Trump to put a stop to unconstitutional federal taxes, taxes that Congress cannot justify under its constitutional Article I, Section 8-limited powers.

“Congress is not empowered to tax for those purposes which are within the exclusive province of the States.” —Justice John Marshall, Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.

69 posted on 11/30/2016 10:10:24 PM PST by Amendment10
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To: SeekAndFind

Communists want us back in caves w/o fire (regulated).


70 posted on 11/30/2016 10:36:11 PM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear (****happy dance**** BIGLY!!!!)
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To: Just mythoughts

DWB wouldn’t exist if it not for these regimes. Let that sink in.


71 posted on 11/30/2016 10:41:27 PM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear (****happy dance**** BIGLY!!!!)
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To: SeekAndFind

In utter misery.


72 posted on 11/30/2016 10:45:30 PM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: SeekAndFind

Theres a ton of US based Cubans that live long as well as a ton of long lived Japanese. They don’t all have Castrocare.


73 posted on 11/30/2016 10:53:47 PM PST by jarwulf
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To: SeekAndFind

A calorie restricted diet does increase lifespan...

Like to see their stats broken out demographically, like ruling class versus peasants. They probably also don’t count executions within the sample cohort...


74 posted on 11/30/2016 10:58:25 PM PST by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: SeekAndFind

The average Cuban makes about $20 a month. If what is said is even true, they live longer because they can’t afford to drink or smoke or eat fatty foods.

And I bet that average of $813 per person is a way to disguise the Second-World level of care the Ruling Class gets vs. the North Korean type of care the peasants receive.


75 posted on 11/30/2016 11:14:43 PM PST by PLMerite (Lord, let me die fighting lions. Amen.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Pretty freaking poorly.

What do I win?


76 posted on 11/30/2016 11:18:33 PM PST by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: kaehurowing

I remember a major US news organization touring a Cuban hospital back in the 90s and the place was a filthy hovel. No thanks.


77 posted on 11/30/2016 11:19:28 PM PST by kalee
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To: SeekAndFind

If you actually have a life threatening illness Cuba is not the place to be


78 posted on 11/30/2016 11:28:12 PM PST by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: SeekAndFind

Also this type of reporting is as favtual as the claim that Cuba has a hundred percent literacy rate. It is self reported and meaningless.


79 posted on 11/30/2016 11:29:36 PM PST by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: SeekAndFind
This exact same BS was being spread thick & heavy in 2009 to condition people into welcoming the soon-to-come ObamaCare, by frightening them into believing that the world's best health care system was actually crap. At the same time, thorough debunkings of this BS were being published in the tiny conservative media, while being wholly ignored in the MSM.

The Dem's / MSM's major claims were:

For a debunking of the first, see Ann Coulter's well-researched piece: MORE LIBERAL LIES ABOUT NATIONAL HEALTH CARE!

For the second claim, the critical thing to know is that the formula for calculating the Rankings are determined by the WHO (World Health Org), a wholly-owned subsidiary of the UN.

You've all heard of the UN, I assume? The same outfit that does rankings of human rights country-by-country, that conclude the USA is in the neighborhood of Cuba and N Korea? Yup, that's right - that UN.

Back in 2009, I looked into how the WHO does the rankings. The single biggest factor they used to decide whether a nation's Health Care Ranking is up in the stratosphere or down in Hell is simply: whether or not they have Nationalized Health Care. If your nation does NOT have its Health Care totally controlled by a powerful national government, then by definition your nation's HC sucks bigtime, no matter WHAT the other stats say.

Another major factor they used was the Infant Mortality Rate. Duh. See Ann's debunking above.

I don't remember what I found out about the human longevity stats, but I will say this: From what I learned about the reporting of each nation's Infant Mortality stats, especially that each country decides themselves what their stats are, and are free to wildly fudge these stats so as to make nation-by-nation comparisons mostly meaningless, leads me to wonder if Cuba's longevity figures are whatever Fidel & Raul say they are going to be in any given year, and the WHO swallows whole anything Cuba reports. Of course I can't prove that, but where there's smoke there's usually fire; and there's plenty of smoke here.

80 posted on 12/01/2016 1:03:30 AM PST by CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC (Folks ask about my politics. I say: I dont belong to any organized political party. I'm a Republican)
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