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2nd Fire in Apple iPhone 7 Threatens Mass Recall
Associated Press — through Breitbart News ^ | 21 Oct 2016 | by CHRISS W. STREET

Posted on 10/21/2016 6:37:09 PM PDT by Swordmaker


(Marcio Jose Sanchez / Associated Press)

Another newly shipped Apple iPhone 7 caught fire and destroyed a car in what looks similar to the same type of battery fires that forced a worldwide recall of all Samsung Galaxy Note 7 units.

Australian surfing instructor Mat Jones says that he left his week-old iPhone 7 covered by a pair of pants in his car while he went out to give a lesson.

When Jones came back from surfing, he immediately noticed that all the windows of his car were blacked-out. As Jones opened the car’s door, he was hit by a big heat wave, and then smoke started billowing out of the vehicle.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: applepinglist; fire; iphone7
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To: VRWC For Truth
You apple fan bois are pathetic fudge packers. Jobs is rolling over in his grave, faggot ...

Golly, sounds like someone has some unsettled homo-erotic self-hate. What's a matter? Don't the boys like you? Or they don't call you after they got what you loved giving them? Awww, poor broken hearted loser. Pathetic. So all you have left is projection and hate. Sorry, champ. I am not gay. Not my style. Perhaps you can find your chance at romance at a truck stop? Perhaps a bar? Conservative sites just aren't that popular for your type. As you didn't pick up on the very basic clue, I will repeat it. Married, and have grandkids who can manage much better than you. Now, run along. You are giving self-respecting soddomites a bad name.

41 posted on 10/21/2016 8:19:39 PM PDT by Hodar (A man can fail many times, but he isn't a failure until he begins to blame somebody else.- Burroughs)
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To: TheShaz

Well written.
I believe you will find the Apple-hate a one-way argument. I have no problem with Samsung products as long as they do not copy Apple. The problem Samsung has is one of Lithium battery technology and perhaps assembly and packaging methodology.

Nothing wrong with the design per se. But the battery appears to have been damaged during assembly or processing.


42 posted on 10/21/2016 8:25:52 PM PDT by Hodar (A man can fail many times, but he isn't a failure until he begins to blame somebody else.- Burroughs)
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To: TheShaz
And not to get any Apple fans in a twist, I would not be surprised if Apple didn’t offer some $ to keep the media on the heels of their #1 competitor.

The Note 7 was experiencing overheating and fires far beyond th expected rate of 1 on 10,000,000 per year. 94 in the US alone with 26 resulting in personal injury. It was happening all over the world where ever the Note 7 had been sold at an annual rate 3,000 times greater than that expected rate! That is why the Note 7 was recalled and put on banned to fly lists around the world, and just today banned from passenger trains in the US. . . and that was just 2.5 million shipped.

No one was "bribing" or paying for adverse publicity because it was unnecessary. The Note 7 had a serious problem. Even given that, 1,000,000 people have yet to turn in their phones and are trying ways to smuggle them onto airplanes and trains!

Samsung had no choice but to issue a recall. Even the South Korean government had issued a mandatory recall in South Korea before the US Consumer Product Safety Commission acted.

The iPhone 7 has had ONE SINGLE reported fire. The first was an obvious external shipping damage incident. . . and proved so. It does not count. This one I posted today is the first and since the first introduction of the iPhone 7 and 7 plus, which are selling faster than the other iPhone introductions, which sold over 12 million in their first weekends, there are likely 20-25 million already in the wild, in 20-25 nations, having ONE fire does not "put it in the cross hairs". That makes this headline merely a FUD click bait headline, trying to get people to THINK what you are saying which ZERO evidence to back up that claim.

I suspect that Samsung will release a phone with a lower capacity battery, instead of one that is so crammed with dense Lithium Ion cells. . . and one that does not depend on fast charging which is also a suspect in this scenario.

43 posted on 10/21/2016 8:35:30 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: Hodar; TheShaz
Nothing wrong with the design per se. But the battery appears to have been damaged during assembly or processing.

I think the problem lies in making the batteries too dense and then using quick charging technology. Quick charging will charge the phone to 60% in 15 minutes. . . but it does it with a lot of heat being added and the battery will expand. Do that to a Lithium Ion battery that has some already existing internal connectivity issues, and you are likely to get discharge arcing inside. That may result in more and more arcing as the charging cycles repeat. Eventually that results in a fire.

Of course, damaging the battery by putting too much pressure on the battery in assembly can exacerbate that as well.

Apple has eschewed the fast charging cycle, although they certainly know the technology and could incorporate it in their devices, I think for that reason. Trickle charging does not heat the battery anywhere nearly as much.

44 posted on 10/21/2016 8:47:36 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: Swordmaker

I think you nailed the crux of the issue. The fast charge may enable an acceleration of the failure mechanism. Apple has, for its own reasons, placed multiple charge regulation circuits between the storage media and the Lightning port or the circuits that utilize the power.

Perhaps Apple has done more extensive testing - which I believe would have exposed this issue long before the Note 7 launch. It is my opinion that either Samsung failed to do product testing, or ignored a result they did not like. Apple has postponed a product launch multiple times and not elaborating as to why. Perhaps Samsung was too set to meet or beat Apples iPhone 7 launch and made a serious error in releasing a product that should never have been launched. Apple has never had a similar catestrophic launch.

I have high expectations for the SolidEnergy solution.


45 posted on 10/21/2016 9:08:08 PM PDT by Hodar (A man can fail many times, but he isn't a failure until he begins to blame somebody else.- Burroughs)
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To: Hodar; VRWC For Truth; Swordmaker
> Golly, sounds like someone has some unsettled homo-erotic self-hate.

Gee, could be. I just figured he'd been sniffing glue for too long.

Or sniffing something, I dunno...

46 posted on 10/21/2016 9:11:31 PM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: Talisker
Who’s the moron with the big bow on her head?

A Sia wanna be. Only she's much better looking than Sia.

47 posted on 10/21/2016 9:13:52 PM PDT by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Progressives spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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To: Swordmaker

The surfer is an idiot. Leaving a phone in a likely hot car, covered by clothing so it can’t vent? Everyone knows smartphones heat up in such circumstances. Makes me wonder if the Note 7 fires happened the same way.


48 posted on 10/21/2016 9:13:59 PM PDT by montag813
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To: Talisker
It's Sally Field's daughter.


49 posted on 10/21/2016 10:10:30 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Swordmaker
Water doesn't put out LIPO fires. ;(

Nope, doesn't. . .

but perhaps it can cool down an over heating phone.


No, it won't, Lipo will just react with the water, never mix water with lithium

This is science 101, which requires knowledge that you obviously don't have and you should refrain from giving advice in life/death situations.

I know you love your little Apple fruit company, but when it comes to Lithium fires, the last thing you do is want to create a more dangerous, possibly explosive situation. Again, please refrain from commenting when you have no knowledge or education of the subject.

I don't want to see people get killed from your bad advice
50 posted on 10/21/2016 11:20:29 PM PDT by arl295
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To: Swordmaker

Apple just does not make the iPhone buddy, I guess you forgot about the iBook/MacBook battery fires/explosions and Apple had to recall tons of batteries. So you agreed with me that Apple has had problems with batteries before by stating I was wrong. Are you Hillary Clinton?


51 posted on 10/21/2016 11:24:35 PM PDT by arl295
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To: Swordmaker
Apple instituted a recall of 32,000 batteries for laptops over six overheating Sony made batteries, none caught fire. In the same month, Dell and HP had to recall 360,000

Wow, what a small market share. I remember the iBook/MacBook battery fiasco, and I think they had others since then as well. Bursts into flames, you couldn't even take a Apple laptop on a plane because it was such a hazard
52 posted on 10/21/2016 11:28:47 PM PDT by arl295
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To: arl295
Wow, what a small market share. I remember the iBook/MacBook battery fiasco, and I think they had others since then as well. Bursts into flames, you couldn't even take a Apple laptop on a plane because it was such a hazard

Never happened. Please provide your link to prove your contention. . . because it's a lie. The ONLY recall was the one I mentioned where there had been six units that had overheated and Apple recalled 32,000 BATTERIES made by Sony. The same class of batteries also made by Sony had similar problems with Dell and HP and required recall. . . I've been involved with following Apple for 30 years and would know if such a thing ever occurred and it did not! Quit trying to gin up false claims of something that NEVER HAPPENED.

53 posted on 10/21/2016 11:36:51 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: arl295
I know you love your little Apple fruit company, but when it comes to Lithium fires, the last thing you do is want to create a more dangerous, possibly explosive situation. Again, please refrain from commenting when you have no knowledge or education of the subject.

Look idiot. We were joking around. Nobody is going to keep a bowl of water around in case a phone overheats. . . also an iPhone is water resistant. We were talking about a phone that was starting to overheat, not one that was already on fire. You are really a piece of work, aren't you?

You must be a Liberal. They say Liberals have no sense of humor. You certainly demonstrated that tonight.

54 posted on 10/21/2016 11:41:54 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: arl295
Apple just does not make the iPhone buddy, I guess you forgot about the iBook/MacBook battery fires/explosions and Apple had to recall tons of batteries. So you agreed with me that Apple has had problems with batteries before by stating I was wrong. Are you Hillary Clinton?

No, I restated that history. . . and Apple did not make those batteries, Arl, Sony made those batteries, and Sony paid for the recall, just as they did for the recall of the recall for the more then 10 times greater recall of the same series batteries they made for HP and Dell at the same time. But apparently you cannot read, or won't, or just have a severe reading comprehension problem, because I told you all that in my first post on this subject, because now you are accusing me of not knowing it. That makes you look pretty stupid, doesn't it?

And no, no Apple laptops "burst into flames" in that event. They over heated due to those Sony batteries. . . and it was a problem with the original equipment contractor SONY, not Apple, and not with Apple's design or product.

There have been a few isolated incidents of fires associated with Apple products, but no general design flaws in Apple products requiring ANY recalls due to those isolated incidents. NONE. Get your facts straight before you get on your highchair and start bawling about something you don't know anything about. . . especially claiming non-existing airplane bans.

55 posted on 10/21/2016 11:53:43 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: arl295
here's the way Samsung, who also has no sense of humor is acting. . .

Samsung 'blocks' exploding Note 7 parody videos and games

56 posted on 10/22/2016 12:47:56 AM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: Swordmaker

Well it did happen


57 posted on 10/22/2016 6:32:56 AM PDT by arl295
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To: Swordmaker
The iPhones survived that USB killer device that is supposed to kill any computer or device it's plugged in to. . . because they DO have a charging protection circuit, and an isolation system.

Kudos to Apple. Consumer-grade LIPO batteries are supposed to have this type of protection circuit. Not all do.

58 posted on 10/22/2016 6:57:40 AM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (For 'tis the sport to have the engineer hoist with his own petard., -- Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 4)
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To: arl295

Give away all your hats...


59 posted on 10/22/2016 7:05:02 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias; "Barack": Allah's current ally; "Comey": Barack's current toadie...)
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To: D Rider; Swordmaker
Ol' Dan Tucker: Water doesn't put out LIPO fires. ;(

D Rider: Yes but would it keep it cool enough so it didn’t light off?. What would work better a bowl off sand?

Swordmaker: Nope, doesn't. . . but perhaps it can cool down an over heating phone.

Sand, yes. Water, no. When the LIPO enters a state of overcharge or over-discharge, metallic lithium 'fingers' grow between the anodes and cathodes causing internal shorts which is what causes it to start to overheat. External cooling won't help.

Overcharge can occur due to charging at a higher amperage than the LIPO is rated for, or at too high of a voltage or not cutting off the charging cycle when the battery has reached a fully charged state. Over-discharge is caused by sucking the juice out of the battery at a higher amperage than what it's rated or by allowing the voltage to decrease below 3.0V per cell.

Once a LIPO lights off, it produces it's own oxygen so it burns under water.

There are only two ways to prevent the overcharge/over-discharge state. The first, and most common on consumer-grade batteries is some sort of monitoring system in the form of a protection circuit. If no protection circuit is present, then the device itself has to monitor the battery voltage to prevent overcharge/over-discharge.

60 posted on 10/22/2016 7:18:12 AM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (For 'tis the sport to have the engineer hoist with his own petard., -- Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 4)
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