Posted on 07/10/2016 8:51:16 PM PDT by ErikJohnsky
I've used a couple of dating sites in my time, and went to college with an active dating and hookup scene. Somehow, it is socially acceptable for non-thin girls to think a fit, in-shape male who happens to be short is "too short" for them, or that the girl is too good for them.
Height can't be controlled at all and therefore, like race (whatever race tho, not just blacks but whites, reds, browns, yellows too), does not reflect one's values or personality traits. Weight can be easily controlled; fat girls are usually too lazy to go to the gym, and lack will-power and determination to control their diet. Given that many short men keep in good physical shape, women who are overweight should be HONOURED to get some of them, instead of being the prissy and spoiled types that feminism has promoted, with this "girl power" and that its OK for girls to be as "shallow" about men as men are about women.
Is that fat chicks can "look down" on a short guy a great example of sexual affirmative action brought about "feminism," which clearly looks for easy targets, and short men are?
Ugly is subjective; height is not. Also, plastic surgery can help with a bad face and nose; there is no practicable height surgery, aside from breaking your leg bones for one or two inches. God made short men short; he did not make fat chicks fat.
A girl who is less slim than a short guy ought to "check her arrogance."
One thing too; ever notice the multitude of "fat girls should love their body and show it off," and "plus-size model" stuff, but no equivalent for short men? While short men, THANKFULLY, haven't joined the grievance culture, its still liberal hypocrisy that short men are the only group of people affected by acts of God, their height, that liberals think its OK to trash and be prejudiced against. Its "racist" for a white girl to say she'd never date a black, but perfectly fine, and almost encouraged, for girls to never date a shorter guy, even tho height, like race, is determined by the Almighty.
Very true.
Fat bottomed girls you make the rockin’ world go ‘round
Oh my fellow PUA and red piller!
As the old saying goes...
Eff a fat chick, the appreciate it more.
Height helps, however it can be overcome with game.
I know it doesn’t help when dealing with repeated rejection over something you can’t control, but keep some perspective.
A girl who won’t give you a shot over something like your stature, isn’t going to be the right gal for you anyway... I know it doesn’t help... but its no different than a homely girl who is a great person but can’t get a date because guys pass on her for prettier women.
Its simply the law of averages, anyone unless they are drop dead gorgeous are going to have to ask out folks, take the rejections for whatever reasons they are, go on first dates that are busts... every so often find one thats more than a first date, and every so often from there one that’s an honest relationship and eventually one of those may just end up being the one.
How much rejection through the funnel each person must deal with and where, will vary on their personal experience, but rather than get upset that another chick turned you down because you are short, just keep plugging away.. I know it sucks, but that’s how it is....
One thing to keep in mind, no matter what, is don’t get bitter.... you start getting bitter that you are getting rejected and your odds of getting a date are going to go down astronomically... Because even folks who would give you a shot, and not care about your stature, sure as heck aren’t going to want to give a shot to someone the feel is bitter and angry.
Best of luck to you.
MY other words of advice is simply go out and DO things, meet people, join clubs, bowling leagues, play sports, get involved in a community group or theater or church or something else you personally find interesting.... This is always the best way to meet people and network... and that to me is the best way to actually meet people... rather than just messaging strangers back and forth hoping something connects.
But what do I know...
Ah, one of my favorite sites, next to Heartiste.
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Everybody has the right to decide who is good enough for them and who is not. Of course they have the right, just like all have a right to believe in open borders, but at a certain point, it still doesn’t mean they are right. Women ought to know that their role is largely to have/raise the kids, and with careers, its largely auxiliary to the male. Guys have their careers, athleticism, talents, girls have their looks, and might have those things too, but yes, in that order. Lots of guys like fat or “Rubenesque” chicks. However, the majority of men like a woman whose measurements are closer to 36-24-36. That’s just the way it is and it has nothing to do with Barbie or Playboy. True, and I don’t dispute that. Traditionally, only men got to be picky about such things, until feminism. That’s how things ought to be. <
Dream on, Alice. Wonderland is just a fall down that hole over yonder. </geezwhatajerk!
And why wouldn’t they. Everybody’s got what they like, and they are free to choose, it’s not feminism, it’s not hypocrisy, it’s freedom. Sorry you’re too short.
Biological fact is that men do not have to be a discriminatory as women in dealing with partners, until the decision to marry comes in. Then the man is discriminatory as to who has the privilege to use his valuable resources (especially in today's junked up society and punitive family court system). That will equate to a women with a high SMV; meaning attractive, selective, etc.
Conversely, women have to be more selective as species carriers. And that is where hypergamy comes in. Just a fact of life.
In the end, short men can make great strides in improving their game.
I am just shy of 6’, blessed with what most women find to be a handsome face, and I can attest, in most situations, particularly if I am dressed well, most women will give me a look, even though I am not someone with 6 pack abs, and well into middle age. I know that sounds a bit conceited, but it is true, so much so that when I am out with a group of friends, even the women in the group will comment about who has/is giving me a look.. Women are certainly more discrete about checking out a guy generally than men are about checking out a well endowed women, but its very clearly noticeable if you are paying attention.
I may not get a second look, because of the middle aged spare tire and male pattern baldness that comes with being middle aged and not spending hours a day in a gym, but I do get noticed.
I don’t think its my height, though that is the driving factor, friends of of mine as tall or taller than me do not get the same reactions, but being tall enough to be seen in a busy room, vs hidden within the crowd, certainly increases odds of being seen.
I do think women are generally genetically wired to find a protector... which is a negative against smaller men in general, but as I have stated elsewhere I have more than a few friends of short stature with gorgeous wives, some quite tall as well. So its NOT the end all to be short, but you will probably have to work harder than a bigger guy might to get somewhere and face more just flat out rejection out of the gate, but life isn’t fair... Just keep plugging away, eventually you’ll get somewhere with someone who is a better fit anyway than trying to force something with someone who is just writing you off out of the gate over something you can’t control anyway.
Dude, there’s a RACE WAR going on and this is what you are concerned with?
LOL
There are lots of them. LOL. Right now a blonde named Jessica has the inside track.... heh
“Men have much higher standards for who they will marry than who they will sleep with. Women believe that if they can sleep with a certain level of man, they should be able to marry that level of man.”
DING DING DING!!! We have a winner!!
The fundamental difference in the general approach to sex itself is probably the single biggest source of friction between genders, on so many levels.
A chubby cute chick with a big rack in her 20s is going to have a good shot at a lot of guys who are willing to bed her.. but most of those guys are well aware of what she is likely going to look like in 10 or 20 years, and what is a cute chubby endowed gal at 24 is most likely NOT going to have that same larger hourglass figure in 10 or 20 years.
Women, younger women in particular, also tend to think if they sleep with a man, there is more to it than just a physical attraction, and there may or may not be. And yes, sadly most men are willing to say or do anything to get laid, particularly if they are of a particular age range, so that doesn’t help the situation either.
The way women traditionally filtered those guys out was by basically requiring investment of time, effort, energy into the relationship before it was allowed to become physical, but the hypersexualization of our society means folks are jumping in bed before they even know much if at all about each other other than they have some sort of physical attractiveness toward each other. So women think they have found something more than they have because it goes physical way too quickly. And guys really don’t have to invest much to get what it was they were really after.
Getting back to the main point, I also think that this reality leads to far too many divorces in our society as well. Not justifying cheating, or the harm it does to a relationship and family, but our society seems to also conditioned women to just he cheated, I’m gone... I have witnessed families torn apart over things that really should not have..
If you are a guy above a certain age, you likely have a guy and his wife, that are no longer having sex, or not having sex often at all. Reasons can vary as to who’s rejecting who, and whos not interested anymore.. or whatever, but regardless eventually the partner who still is, is going to cheat... they are going to find an outlet... and that outlet can and is often nothing but physical... yet, particularly if its the guy, once wife finds out she’s done, divorce is filed, even if she hasn’t shown an ounce of sexual interest in her husband for years... she’s the victim,he’s the cad, and decades of a relationship collapse. Usually needlessly. Women in my experience assume, particularly if the affair was over a long period of time that there must be an emotional component, that it could not simply be physical. Again, not condoning cheating, but women in general have a harder time separating physical from emotional in that area... Guy can be quite 100% honest that it was 100% physical, and women just won’t believe them especially if it was something that went on over an extended time.
Anyway, enough battle of the sexes for now.
Up until relatively recently, the number one cause of death in women was childbirth, with many of those babies not surviving either. That fact alone probably goes a long way toward explaining how we’re wired.
Size alone isn’t a turn off, at least for me, its how they carry it... but I also understand that a gal who’s got a classic size 14 hourglass at 24, isn’t guaranteed to have that when she’s 34 or 44.... Some do, and God bless em :)
But many with that in their 20s, move toward the spherical shape as they age.
Words of advice to young men everywhere, no physical attraction is not the be all end all of a relationship, but look at any girl you are seriously considering as a life partner that is younger, look at her mother, because that is going to tell you a good bit about how your young lady is going to age physically. Lots of women are very lovely in their 20s, and by their 40s that percentage goes way way down.... Not that they still aren’t wonderful human beings, but be sure you are not physically repulsed by what you see.
I know that’s not politically correct, and yes love can make you blind, but trust me, when you are 20 years into a relationship, the blinding power of love is not as strong as it is when you are a few years into one. ANd yes, relationships certainly grow and mature in many ways over the years, and emotional bonds can and will grow stronger, but like it or not physical aspects do matter.
Waiting to be flamed for this post...
While your point is true, I really don’t think you need to go that far. All creatures are wired to reproduce, its a fundamental biological urge, and while humans are fortunate enough to have self awareness and intelligence, that make us aware of these things for what they are, it does not free us from them.
We need to pass along our genetic makeup, its a drive for most that is as fundamental as breathing and eating. As such at a primal level we are all going to try to do what we can to do so. For women its a much heavier investment, at least at the base level. She needs to make sure her and her offspring are going to be taken care of, so desires are going to be to mate with people who fit that mold... at a base level for a guy, literally any port will do, with the desire to be the most attractive partners he can find.
These drives on both sides explain a lot of behaviors, and yes, folks women cheat to... Single women can cheat for reasons like trying to trade up... or have found a guy who is a safe provider but doesn’t do it for her sexually... Of just because she really isn’t in a place where she should be settling down... etc etc... Married women cheat too, history is filled with cuckolded fathers unknowingly raising the children of other men. Traditionally though women have more to lose from cheating, so while they certainly do it, even then the approach to sex is still not on par with a male.
But men produce sperm daily, women are born with the number of eggs they will ever have. Its not surprising sex is approached differently by the genders, but what is just irresponsible today is how poorly women are raised to understand the male today... Women/girls are not being taught the wisdom of their mothers when it comes to men. Men are pretty simple and base creatures, they are not really that hard to figure out, but girls are being fed a bunch of feminist nonsense instead of simple realities known by women for eons. And that just exacerbates things.
You want to drive your boyfriend or husband to cheat? Tear him down, particularly in public.... nothing will move him away from you faster. Give him support, even if you are faking it at times, and you will be amazed generally how loyal and hard he will work for you..... yet somehow this simple reality is just lost on many women who just can’t grasp, stroking a guys ego in little ways, rather than asserting some feminist dogma is far more likely to get you what you desire and produce a happy outcome for all etc...
Don’t stress about it man. You don’t want a chick that shallow anyway. Just move on. I am average and have been shot down for not being tall enough. Don’t care. Moved on. Found a better babe on FR.
I agree that it is stupid for girls to choose men on the basis of height. Many fantastic guys are short. But they have to be ok with their height and not always defensive about it. My first boyfriend, RIP, was my height, and he “owned it” and was proud of himself, made a few jokes but in context, and was happy in his own skin. This is probably harder for shorter guys but you have to.
The most important thing is not to lash out at others for their body types. Not all heavy people can do something about it. There are conditions of gut biome and brain (hormones) and medications causing weight gain, though it’s true most is from improper eating.
Believe you are hot. List your height with pride. Don’t be insecure that women seem to want tall. Guys want skinny with gigantic boobs, and not all women are like that, either. Girls prefer smart, funny, and socially successful (gets along with people, does well at his job, has friends).
I’m 6’2”. When my Wife and I flew to Hawaii years ago, I walked outside the Security Check in the Terminal to use the restroom at a small Airport on one of the smaller Islands.
No TSA back then, but they shuttled you through a Metal Detector to get to the Gates.
When I was heading back in, I was surrounded by a large group of older Japanese Tourists, and every one of them had an SLR Camera that had to be inspected. By the time I got through, I almost missed the Boarding.
My Wife watched the spectacle and said it looked like the scene from Close Encounters of the Third Kind where the Richard Dreyfus Character is surround by a bunch of the little Aliens.
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