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"...I believe Betty is wrong in this sense as well. In my view, being an American is more than the happy accident of how the geography of your birth bestowed upon you citizenship, or even where you physically reside. In my view, being an American is subscribing to a set of shared American values. “America” is more than a piece of paper or a place. “America” is an idea..."

Here is an article on this 4th of July that asks if you can still be an American if you live abroad, and, for Freepers, the more important question on this Independence Day: "What exactly is an 'American?'"

For all you expats living abroad like myself, I wish you all a blessed Independence Day!

1 posted on 07/04/2016 8:49:14 AM PDT by lulu16
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The five years I spent abroad is what opened my eyes to the lies of libtards and the corruption of our own society.


2 posted on 07/04/2016 8:50:53 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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Where do you live Lulu?

What is it like there? Where were you from here in the U.S.A?

Your tale sounds exciting! :D

3 posted on 07/04/2016 8:53:50 AM PDT by KC_Lion (Never Killary!)
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Worked in Australia for almost four years. It was informative to be sure. It was doubly interesting to read news about the US from their perspective. Best ever evening was explaining our Electoral College system of voting for president.


4 posted on 07/04/2016 8:54:23 AM PDT by SkyDancer ("They Say That Nobody's Perfect But Yet Here I Am")
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(Flame Suit on) Well, there are plenty of true Syrians, true Somalis, true Mexicans living here.


5 posted on 07/04/2016 8:54:38 AM PDT by real saxophonist ( YouTube + Twitter + Facebook = YouTwitFace.com)
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I've lived outside the U.S. temporarily for work, and I must admit that most of the people I dealt with were more "American" than most of the Americans I knew at the time.

If that makes me somehow "less" of an American, then I'm perfectly content to stop identifying myself as an American in anything other than a legal, abstract, utilitarian fashion.

6 posted on 07/04/2016 8:56:51 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Sometimes I feel like I've been tied to the whipping post.")
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To: lulu16; Marcella; NFHale; Windflier; DuncanWaring; AllAmericanGirl44; wku man; Old Sarge; raybbr; ..
Happy member of the "dawg pound".

While still calling yourself an American citizen while living abroad it's quite a bit disingenuous to say you are "engaged" in the fight for America.

8 posted on 07/04/2016 9:00:31 AM PDT by raybbr (That progressive bumpers sticker on your car might just as well say, "Yes, I'm THAT stupid!")
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I lived in Japan for 5 years - broke a collarbone and my wife had a baby there, so when someone starts talking about how marvelous universal health care is, I sidle up and say, “do you really want to know about universal health care...?”


9 posted on 07/04/2016 9:01:55 AM PDT by struggle (The)
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Interesting read.

Yes, technically, the expats are still American citizens.

Yes, the ideals of America transcend borders and can be found in people in other countries.

I may get flamed. But, I question why someone wants to go live in another country, if one is American and devoted to the ideals of America. Why go live in another country in retirement?

You are still an American citizen if you go to another country to live. But you are not able to do certain things, such as work in election campaigns, or directly work to make this country better, if you are off in Mexico or somewhere else. You can send money and all that, to help political campaigns and other causes. But you won’t be able to directly work for some causes you believe in, and affect change here in American if you aren’t on the premises.


12 posted on 07/04/2016 9:05:42 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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Agreed.

Being an American is more than the real estate underneath your feet. It is a state of mind.

Consider the converse: how many millions of people live in the lower 48 who are communist (for all intents and purposes)? Or only interested in taking whatever they can get without giving a fair equivalent (such as working for it)? These people cannot be reasonably be regarded as ‘American’, imo.


13 posted on 07/04/2016 9:06:39 AM PDT by Paulie (America without Christ is like a Chemistry book without the periodic table.)
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The author of the piece is now living in Mexico! Mexico? A country who thumbs her nose at us and continues to send their drunks, drugs, criminals, rapists and murders across the border?

He apparently is comfortable with living in that feces-hole.

I would consider the author of this piece to be totally UN-American!


14 posted on 07/04/2016 9:07:31 AM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise
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In the ‘50s and ‘60s, a lot of Jazz musicians lived in Europe. I think most of them still considered themselves Americans, and the Europeans definitely did.


15 posted on 07/04/2016 9:07:37 AM PDT by real saxophonist ( YouTube + Twitter + Facebook = YouTwitFace.com)
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Expats cannot buy firearms in the US because they are not residents of a state—so in that sense the are less ‘American!’ than green card holders.


16 posted on 07/04/2016 9:07:48 AM PDT by hanamizu
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The only question I have is WHY? If you are there because your work has you deployed there (i.e. You are in the military or at an embassy) then you are not an ex-pat.

IF you are living outside the US for any other reason, IMHO, you are no longer American. Turn in your citizenship and become part of whatever country you are living in


17 posted on 07/04/2016 9:09:49 AM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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According the IRS you are still an American. We are one of the only nations on earth that requires you to file taxes no matter where you live. If you shack up with a 15 year old Filipina the FBI sees you as an American. If you are claiming to own a chunk of the moon, the government see’s you as an American.
If you are Julian Assange, the government wants to charge you, an Aussie, with treason against America.

The government is like a creepy ex girlfriend, they just can’t let go.


18 posted on 07/04/2016 9:10:52 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up....)
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Having served over 22 years abroad with the US Army, Army Civil Service and US Department of State, I can say that I was unaware of the Racism in the Black Community towards Whites and Asians, and the greed of the political left upon my return. So in many ways being an America overseas is an exercise in defending something that no longer existed by the time of my return five years ago.


20 posted on 07/04/2016 9:17:04 AM PDT by Jumper
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If you’ve retired and are living abroad and no longer paying any US taxes, you are an emigrant.


21 posted on 07/04/2016 9:20:40 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Obama is more supportive of Iran's right to defend its territorial borders than he is of the USA's.)
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“ex-pat”, says it all: Ex-Patriot. Ex. As in gone, no longer one of us.


23 posted on 07/04/2016 9:22:02 AM PDT by CodeToad (Islam should be banned and treated as a criminal enterprise!)
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P.S. ExPat is NOT the same is merely having a second residence or living overseas for some period of time.


24 posted on 07/04/2016 9:22:56 AM PDT by CodeToad (Islam should be banned and treated as a criminal enterprise!)
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Living in Mexico should be safer than here because I believe that they do NOT allow aliens into the country.

Go figure.


25 posted on 07/04/2016 9:27:43 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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Because I’m now living outside the US, am I now less American?

Yes.

31 posted on 07/04/2016 9:38:18 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (We will no longer surrender this country to the false song of globalism. --Donald Trump)
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