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Ancient Irish musical history found in modern India
EurekAlert! ^ | May 13, 2016 | Australian National University

Posted on 05/14/2016 12:23:53 AM PDT by SunkenCiv

An archaeologist studying musical horns from iron-age Ireland has found musical traditions, thought to be long dead, are alive and well in south India.

The realisation that modern Indian horns are almost identical to many iron-age European artefacts reveals a rich cultural link between the two regions 2,000 years ago, said PhD student Billy O Foghlu, from The Australian National University (ANU).

"Archaeology is usually silent. I was astonished to find what I thought to be dead soundscapes alive and living in Kerala today," said the ANU College of Asia-Pacific student...

The findings help show that Europe and India had a lively cultural exchange with musicians from the different cultures sharing independently developed technology and musical styles.

One example of this musical mixing is depicted in a carving of a celebration in Sanchi dating from c300 BC that shows a group of musicians taking part, playing two European carnyces, a horn with an animal's head.

The musical style of Kerala explains some of the mysteries surrounding the horns that have been unearthed in European iron-age excavations and suggest a very different musical soundscape to current western music said Mr O Foghlu.

(Excerpt) Read more at eurekalert.org ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: ancientnavigation; aryans; australia; barryfell; billyofoghlu; carnyces; celts; chess; cornu; fartyshadesofgreen; gaels; godsgravesglyphs; greeks; hibernia; india; indoeuropeans; ireland; kerala; monsoonwinds; music; navigation; romanempire; sanchi; shofar
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To: fella

Thanks! I’m adding cornu to the keywords... probably the first topic, but just wait a couple of years... also I added shofar when I posted the topic.


21 posted on 05/14/2016 10:18:01 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (I'll tell you what's wrong with society -- no one drinks from the skulls of their enemies anymore.)
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To: Moltke

Chess also came from India, so it’s not unexpected that they invented the, uh, straight flush.


22 posted on 05/14/2016 10:19:25 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (I'll tell you what's wrong with society -- no one drinks from the skulls of their enemies anymore.)
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To: RedStateRocker; mylife; Joe 6-pack

Davy Graham broke open interest in raga in fingerstyle guitar with 1962’s “She moves through the Fair”, better known to many as “White Summer” (Jimmy Page recorded it while still in the Yardbirds, and re-recorded it during the Zep years; “Black Mountain Side” is a ripoff of an old folk tune “Black Waterside”). SMTTF is considered a traditional (public domain) song, but unlike a lot of stuff in that category, its authors are known.

DG’s:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvpTVn_Ltzc
Medley: She Moved Thru’ the Bizarre/Blue Raga
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9XkWbKBs80

Loreena McKennitt:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTa8NA7Ei84
and live:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUb3-VZmJus


23 posted on 05/14/2016 10:26:01 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (I'll tell you what's wrong with society -- no one drinks from the skulls of their enemies anymore.)
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To: Campion; Celtic Conservative
These folks were in Gansu Province, China before the Chinese. As late as 1300AD, there were still Caucasian only graveyards being used there.

THE CURSE OF THE RED-HEADED MUMMY

24 posted on 05/14/2016 10:28:13 AM PDT by blam (Jeff Sessions For President)
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To: SunkenCiv
When I saw the pictures the first thing I thought of was Trajan's Column


25 posted on 05/14/2016 10:29:26 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: SunkenCiv

Van Morrison and the Chieftains teamed up for a pretty haunting version of that song as well....


26 posted on 05/14/2016 10:29:39 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: fella

Ooops, it wasn’t big in the preview. I’d like to go see it before the muslims blow it up.


27 posted on 05/14/2016 10:32:10 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: Moltke

Actually, the first civilization with underground plumbing was the Indus Valley Civilization some 8500 years ago.


28 posted on 05/14/2016 10:47:52 AM PDT by Republic_Venom (It's time for some Republic Venom!)
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and quasi-related sidebars:
29 posted on 05/14/2016 10:49:01 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (I'll tell you what's wrong with society -- no one drinks from the skulls of their enemies anymore.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

It’s been recorded a lot, I used to try to track down the renditions on CDs, now every once in a while I do a YT search. :’)


30 posted on 05/14/2016 10:50:57 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (I'll tell you what's wrong with society -- no one drinks from the skulls of their enemies anymore.)
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To: fella

If they blow it up any more, it won’t even fit on this monitor. ;’)


31 posted on 05/14/2016 10:51:26 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (I'll tell you what's wrong with society -- no one drinks from the skulls of their enemies anymore.)
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(for later)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6c/Trajan’s_Column_reliefs.jpg


32 posted on 05/14/2016 10:52:36 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (I'll tell you what's wrong with society -- no one drinks from the skulls of their enemies anymore.)
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To: Republic_Venom

More like 3500 years ago for the Indus Valley plumbing.


33 posted on 05/14/2016 10:53:16 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (I'll tell you what's wrong with society -- no one drinks from the skulls of their enemies anymore.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Wasn’t Indus Valley around 5800BC?


34 posted on 05/14/2016 10:57:04 AM PDT by Republic_Venom (It's time for some Republic Venom!)
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The shofar keyword, sorted:
35 posted on 05/14/2016 10:57:29 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (I'll tell you what's wrong with society -- no one drinks from the skulls of their enemies anymore.)
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To: SunkenCiv
The Time-line for Indus valley is 5000 BC - 1500BC. Urbanization at 3000 BC...so about 5000 years ago indoor plumbing, aqueducts, etc. got started.
36 posted on 05/14/2016 11:02:54 AM PDT by Republic_Venom (It's time for some Republic Venom!)
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To: Republic_Venom

Their neolithic beginnings were in the 8th m BC. Their city-building didn’t get going until the 4th m BC, and they didn’t immediately build plumbing — they started out in small villages, and like a lot of riverine civs, went with massive agriculture, and then needed recordkeeping to track who farmed what, and how much irrigation water was needed; urban living was due to more and more descendants building out from the village cores. That kind of crowding led to the usual learning from mistakes, and sewage management.

The first of what we’d consider somewhat modern plumbing isn’t (as is usually claimed) Knossos on Crete, but the city of Rome. They used similar methods (a buried channel with running water to flush it out) of sewage handling as the Harappans had. Other civilizations handled it differently, the most common method may have been, “go” in a container, and every day or some other interval, take it to the designated area a little downstream from the water supply.


37 posted on 05/14/2016 11:07:33 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (I'll tell you what's wrong with society -- no one drinks from the skulls of their enemies anymore.)
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To: SunkenCiv

I just love a well-constructed mixed metaphor!


38 posted on 05/14/2016 11:57:40 AM PDT by Moltke (Reasoning with a liberal is like watering a rock in the hope to grow a building)
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To: Moltke

It takes some trial and error — I work my way up from a metawon.


39 posted on 05/14/2016 11:59:12 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (I'll tell you what's wrong with society -- no one drinks from the skulls of their enemies anymore.)
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To: blam

The Desert Mummies of China The Mysterious Caucasian Taklamakan Mummies in Ancient China
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GB0q9VdL5nQ

China’s Dessert Mummies Documentary on the Taklamakan Mummies
[mmm, lady fingers!]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kl6siGw18kQ


40 posted on 05/14/2016 12:08:12 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I'll tell you what's wrong with society -- no one drinks from the skulls of their enemies anymore.)
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