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Remember: Trump supporters will not pick up significant numbers by discrediting others. His unfavorables are TOO HIGH. Voters will swing through the remaining choices first.
1 posted on 02/02/2016 6:32:22 AM PST by bolobaby
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2 posted on 02/02/2016 6:33:09 AM PST by bolobaby
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The GOPe represents about 30% of the party. Rubio got 23% of it.


3 posted on 02/02/2016 6:35:40 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (Populism is what Populism does.)
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Rubio had high numbers as “2nd choice” going into Iowa. So, I’m not surprised he did so well.


4 posted on 02/02/2016 6:37:08 AM PST by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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Dondi, the surrogate Jeb and new darling of Fox News.


5 posted on 02/02/2016 6:38:37 AM PST by twister881
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Good point.

Rubio was the big winner last night.

Cruz and Trump kill each other off state after state.

Rubio becomes the ‘he can win’ guy - just like Romney.

Fox news last night had a commentator call Rubio “He’s John F. Kennedy to Hillary’s Richard Nixon.”

All scripted.


6 posted on 02/02/2016 6:39:03 AM PST by TigerClaws
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The situation should not be posed as mental exercise about a candidate, but about the American people


The general election will have a fair percentage of illegal votes and chicanery that primary's never show

Let's talk THAT up, also

8 posted on 02/02/2016 6:40:53 AM PST by knarf
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I had a strange thought about the left, Democrats know that Hillary & Bernie have no chance with all the baggage of the past 8 years of Obama against the outsider candidates. I think Democrats crossed over to vote for Rubio. Just like they got democrats to vote for Cochran in Mississippi.

They voted for the least harmful Republican to keep the political elite status quo in power. Rubio is that political elite class candidate. Rubio is woefully unprepared to be President and can not stand up against stronger politicians. He rates with Ryan, McConnell, Boehner et al as a Rino. Democrats also know that Conservatives won’t hold their nose this time and vote for Rubio. So there would be a chance for Hillary if the fix is in for her to be the nominee.


10 posted on 02/02/2016 6:43:08 AM PST by Lopeover (2016 Election is about allegiance to the United States)
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Why would voters, who support Trump because he's going to send the illegals home and build a wall, vote for a kid with big ears who's in bed with the likes of Chuck Schumer and wants to maintain our open borders while making all illegals legal?

That doesn't make sense.

12 posted on 02/02/2016 6:44:41 AM PST by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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“It’s Iowa”

End of explanation.


13 posted on 02/02/2016 6:50:23 AM PST by bigbob ("Victorious warriors win first and then go to war" Sun Tzu.)
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I for one will NEVER VOTE FOR RUBIO or anyone else that promotes AMNESTY, regardless of how you dress it up.

Many many years ago I WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS and got my Wife a Green Card, “THE LEGAL WAY”. She is a UK citizen and grew up in Austria. It cost me a Lot of Money and a Lot of Time, not to mention the unbelievable amount of paperwork,records,...

Can anyone here honestly tell me why I should VOTE for any Amnesty Pimp???


15 posted on 02/02/2016 6:52:36 AM PST by eyeamok
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What the Trump supporters don't realize is that *attacking Cruz will not win Trump support*

And vise-versa, they will say.

You attacked my guy, I'm attacking your guy. ...ad nauseam.

No-one's mind is being moved by all the trash talk.

17 posted on 02/02/2016 6:52:49 AM PST by TexasCajun (#BlackViolenceMatters)
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If Hillary wins the nomination,(assured, by hook and crook) and the Republicans run Rubio, its going to be Hillary vs. Lazio all over again. I will predict that she’ll get 52 -53% of the vote against Rubio or Cruz. If Trump runs, he’s going to take the disgruntled Democrat votes and some of the minorities along with many of the Independents. If your goal is to stop Hillary with the Conservative vote, its not going to happen without the support of the outsiders. Conservatives alone will not win the election. Reagan didn’t win the election on conservative votes, some principles yes, but the voters liked the star and his ability to speak without talking down to the voters. Of course I see this through military eyes being defense minded and tend to side with Trump or Cruz. I see Rubio as the establishment candidate who will not upset the status quo in DC in spite of what he says. If you want to understand DC politics, all you have to do is look at the candidates. 16 Republicans and 2 Democrats.(that count) LOL, now is that the best of the best or what? If you ask me, the fix is in. Its all a show to keep the status quo.


30 posted on 02/02/2016 7:09:44 AM PST by Bringbackthedraft (Just an old grumpy guy looking back in time, wondering WTF happened?)
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Good analysis.

When Trump first announced, he wasn't my first choice, but I was certainly willing to vote for him In preference to any GOPe candidate.

But, after listening to Trump the past months, I would never vote for him. It has nothing to do with "better or worse" than some other candidate. Trump is unacceptable in an absolute sense.

If Trump gets the nomination, and I fear he will, I will write in a candidate. I won't vote for that vile man. And I'll bet that most voters agree with me, in spite of the noise from the minority who are Trump supporters.

32 posted on 02/02/2016 7:11:12 AM PST by Johnny B.
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I’d say you have it analyzed pretty well.


34 posted on 02/02/2016 7:13:30 AM PST by traderrob6
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I should point out to you that the vicious lies told by Team Cruz about Trump means there are more then a few Trump supporter that will never vote for Cruz now. So when Cruz that that after knocking off Trump (with lies) he’ll get the lion share of Trump supporters he is smokin dupe.


36 posted on 02/02/2016 7:19:41 AM PST by jpsb (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied. Otto von Bismark)
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There are countless conservatives who simply *will not vote for him under any circumstances*.

really

CUT OFF NOSE TO SPITE FACE...???

I WILL VOTE FOR any repub candidate before i sit it out and chance bernie in the white house
Hillary is going to the trash heap of history... or jail... OR BOTH


40 posted on 02/02/2016 7:33:56 AM PST by zzwhale (YEP)
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I’m stunned how many out there do not know what a trojan horse Marco Rubio is. He is in this, handpicked, by the worst of the worst in GOP politics. They also control Paul Ryan and put him where he is.

The Rubio Deception.....MUST READ!

https://klsouth.wordpress.com/2014/07/19/refresher-rubios-deceptions/

[snip]To understand Rubio, you have to understand his Chief of Staff; a man by the name of Cesar Conda. Who is Cesar Conda? He’s a pro-amnesty immigration lawyer, who once worked as a DC lobbyist for the Association of Immigration Lawyers [video], mutual friend and close associate of fellow amnesty pusher Grover Norquist, who together have carried out their three-decade long Amnesty Jihad. Like Norquist, the amnesty pushers on the left like Cesar Conda.

Norquist, a corporate lobbyist and co-founder of the Islamic Institute, has had ties to CAIR, radical Islam, known terrorist financiers and unsavory relationships with Muslim activist for years. This video warrants particular scrutiny of Norquist, who actively promotes and advances the Islamic agenda. These are Norquist’s bedfellows; it’s why he actively petitioned support for the “Ground Zero Mosque” and it’s why he is very active in “Muslim outreach.”

Norquist is on the Advisory Board of The Hispanic Leadership Fund, member of the Council on Foreign Relations [CFR], Founder of Americans for Tax Reform [ATR] and good pal of felon Jack Abramoff and GOP stooge Karl Rove whose Crossroads GPS group has been a major donor to Norquist’s fund. Secret emails exclusively obtained by Breitbart News show the libertarian Cato Institute, Norquist’s ATR, and Rubio colluding on immigration reform “messaging” after the Boston Marathon bombing.

And, then there is Norquist’s lobbying on behalf of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Norquist’s primary interest in DC is Norquist. For his part, he is hitting the media trail attempting to combat what he calls the “bitter enders” who oppose the bill by trying to counteract the effect of “a handful of radio talk-show hosts who talk loudly.” Also assisting Rubio, Conda and Norquist in their Amnesty scheme is the Southern Poverty Law Center [SPLC], a Soros-backed group. SPLC’s history.

Cesar Conda sat on the Editorial Advisory Board with George Soros of the publication, The International Economy Magazine. He also actively worked to promote and advance Judge Sotomayor’s nomination. Conda was a lobbyist for the powerhouse private prisons GEO Group who supported open borders and government money for incarcerated illegal aliens. He also lobbied for the US Chamber of Commerce, who supports the Gang of Eight Amnesty bill. His paw prints also extend to the expensive bank bailouts, something Rubio claims he was against.

Conda is a domestic policy wonk. His government experience runs deep. In fact, Conda has weaved and bobbed between so many roles in Washington he was included in Roll Call’s “Fabulous Fifty” list of top congressional aides. He undertook policy roles spanning the 1996 Dole-Kemp to Mitt Romney’s 2008 Presidential Campaigns. Both Conda and Norquist worked together to destroy prop 187 in California in the 1990’s.

But, what also sets Rubio’s office apart is Cesar Conda’s supposed continued ties, major abuse of power, and financial relationship with his lobbying firm, Navigators Global. Navigators clients included GlaxoSmithKline, AT&T, Visa and Citigroup, which got $45 billion under the bank bailout. Rubio’s ties to K-Street are extensive. His deputy chief of staff, Sally Canfield, is a former lobbyist for Sanofi-Aventis, a French drug company.

And, from 1997 to 2005 Rubio himself, was a lobbyist. Consider what one of his most vocal critics said about him here, which likely put a halt to Romney selecting Rubio as VP candidate. Consider: City commissioner, lawyer, lobbyist, one-time GOP Party of Florida American Express card holder, top-echelon House leader and, ultimately, House Speaker, oh and Jeb Bush water boy. Florida is a politically corrupt state. From 2000 to 2010, there were 781 federal convictions on corruption charges. That’s an average of one every five days for 10 straight years.

Like Conda, Rubio has amnesty as a core belief. He is John McCain with an ‘accent’; and without a military record of crashing planes. His past record is relevant. All you have to do is look at history. This page provides history of the efforts of Floridians to enact immigration enforcement legislation in the 2008 Florida Legislative Session. All legislative results were thwarted, at the time, by House Speaker Marco Rubio.

Rubio stalled and “blocked” all enforcement bills in Florida stating: “There is nothing the state of Florida can do unilaterally to solve global warming. And there is nothing we can do unilaterally to solve immigration.” Rep. Juan Zapata, R-Miami and Miami Rep. David Rivera, the son of Cuban exiles, usually ran anti-enforcement interference for Rubio in the Florida House.

But there were other legislative matters. Rubio pushed for free in-state tuition for illegal aliens on Florida taxpayers dime. He fought to allow a “self pay” (no insurance) for medical care without the hospital collecting a balance on the hospital billing; while prohibiting the hospital from pursuing civil remedies. This would serve illegal aliens by protecting them from detection. And he made an attempt to keep all “working papers” (such as dead bills) from seeing the light of day to the public.

Rubio’s Amnesty Scheme

Rubio’s shenanigans started with the ‘deceptive messaging’ of ‘de facto’ amnesty. As Front Page Mag points out, there’s a big difference between not fully enforcing the law & legalizing a crime. Just as there is a difference between not arresting a drug dealer and legalizing heroin. A lack of proper enforcement is not ‘de facto’ amnesty. Its lack of enforcement. Amnesty is legalization. The bill was a cocktail of lawlessness, executive discretion, and legalistic trickery crafted by the organized, open-borders left.

Its fake provisions in S.744 are outlined here. Sadly, Rubio was PIMPING his ‘de facto Amnesty’ scheme on all TV and radio shows including Univision and Telemundo. He was featured in this TV ad which was run on Fox News as part of a $300,000 ad buy bought by The American Action Network, a group founded by former Sen. Norm Coleman and GOP donor and long-time activist Fred Malek. Two cafeteria Republicans.

And, this ad was from Mark Zuckerberg’s new “FWD.us” group; which drew scrutiny, even from Factcheck.org. Zuckerberg had a similar group making similar ads for liberal audiences. The advisory board of the shell “conservative” group included Haley Barbour, former lobbyist for the government of Mexico, and several people linked to the ‘open border’ Bush family; Sally Bradshaw, former chief of staff to Jeb Bush; and Dan Senor and Joel Kaplan, former W. Bush advisers.

When it came to pushing illegal alien amnesty, Senate bill S.744, Rubio spun words like a North Eastern Liberal. This wasn’t just amnesty. It’s was INSTANT AMNESTY. The massive implications of millions of foriegn invaders being pumped into the electorate was and is detrimental. Rubio was complicit in actively assisting the Democrats in their biggest voter registration drive in history; 30 million illegal aliens is enough to create some 50 new congressional districts - primarily Democrat.


44 posted on 02/02/2016 7:39:55 AM PST by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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Well, it’s a theory.


47 posted on 02/02/2016 7:44:36 AM PST by gogeo (If you are Tea Party, the GOPee does not want you.)
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Explaining Rubio..
Rubio ran hard in Florida as a Tea Party-er and won. Got to Washington and his vanity and lack of core values allowed him to be sucked into the Gang Of Eight. Now he needs the GOPe to help him to win. He refuses to admit he was wrong and babbles along with “The American Public will not let us do immigration reform until we seal the borders.” He is trying to walk a tightrope. We know the GOPe will come up with some silly standard like 75% for the seal and then falsify the data to prove the border is sealed. Rubio has no core values other than a desire for power. IMHO


56 posted on 02/02/2016 7:51:13 AM PST by Rik0Shay
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Trump needs to ignore Cruz who has little chance to advance past Iowa and concentrate on discrediting Rubio.


70 posted on 02/02/2016 11:38:21 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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