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Apple's competition is going to have a tough year in 2016
Apple Insider ^ | Saturday, January 09, 2016 | By Daniel Eran Dilger

Posted on 01/10/2016 7:41:05 PM PST by Swordmaker

In 2015 Apple grabbed a 94 percent share of the world's global smartphone profits, sold the only profitable tablets and smartwatch, increased its Mac unit sales,, launched a successful NFC payment platform, took a huge slice of the music streaming market and introduced a new platform for the living room. How can it possibly beat that performance in 2016?



That's the premise set out by clickbait legend Jay Yarow of Business Insider, who penned a compendium of worries of potential scenarios of doom for the world's largest and most successful tech company, bravely entitled "Apple is going to have a tough year."

The reality is that it will be much easier for Apple sell iPhones, iPads, Apple Watch and Macs in 2016 given that its competitors are now weaker than they were in 2015


Yarow raised some scary sounding ideas about Apple before dashing them himself with facts, then started over with some less sensational, rather basic complaints about how he thinks Apple could be doing better in various ways, such as retroactively introducing products years before they were developed, or alternatively holding up the release of new products until there are no possible ways one could ask for improvement.

While the article itself says nothing worthy of note, it's useful to consider the white space around it: the real facts that Yarow tiptoed around and apparently went out of his way to fail to acknowledge in order to generate some content to satisfy the Apple-centric SEO quotas at BI.

It's a lengthy article that never once contemplates how the world is changing around Apple. The reality is that it will be much easier for Apple sell iPhones, iPads, Apple Watch and Macs in 2016 given that its competitors are now weaker than they were in 2015.

2015: The year of Weak Apple Competitors



If you've forgotten already, 2015 was the year that Apple's primary mobile device competitor imploded and the figurehead of a legacy software company dabbling in hardware rather arrogantly claimed that it was the

="http://appleinsider.com/articles/15/10/23/microsoft-represents-only-serious-competition-for-apple-hardware-ballmer-says">most competent PC hardware maker left (which, astonishingly, was actually partially true).


"Nobody else has really tried to compete with them anymore really seriously in hardware...
If there's going to be any competition at all for Apple it will come from Microsoft." - Steve Ballmer


Virtually all of the established PC makers seemed to be evaluating how to get out of the business, even as Apple's premium-class Mac sales gained significant new ground. Including tablets with PCs, Apple now sells the most computers and the most expensive computers (and nearly all of the expensive computers), an apparent contradiction of the "common sense" understanding of price elasticity of demand and the premium-eroding nature of commodity products.

Apple is essentially the Professor stranded on Gilligan's Island, except that rather than being the intelligent problem solver for a bunch of goofy half-wits stuck on an island, Apple is competing against them in the global market for electronics.

The idea that Apple will be struggling to pay the rent this year as it copes with an inferiority complex grounded in the overshadowing success of last year's Apple is not just a surrealist joke. It's also what passes for journalism and analysis these days on the web. A lot of ink has already been spilled about the deep hole Apple keeps digging for itself as its past successes make for a Law of Large Numbers / Difficult Compare moving forward. It should be considered whether Apple even really faces any effective competition

The plight of Apple's competitors doesn't really come up much, but when grieved by concerns about Apple's precarious predicament on the biggest and fastest growing pile of cash in the industry, it should be considered whether Apple even really faces any effective competition.

Real world competition, that is, not the representative products of "competitors" that make up a tiny irrelevant shred of the world's total market share, which really exist only to give enthusiast magazines something to compare against Apple.

Take for example Google Nexus. While industry writers like to talk about how Google has "80 percent" share with Android, the actual units of Google-branded devices that compete with Apple are quite negligible (0.1 percent, according to IDC), despite the huge share of media attention provided to it. The number of people buying Nexus phones is less than even Windows Phone, and you'd be hard pressed to find any reasonable person who actually believes that Microsoft materially competes with Apple in the smartphone market.

Apple's iPhone share of global smartphone sales is at 14%. Google Nexus has at best peaked at 0.1%, via IDC. https://t.co/JlZyeas5XF
— Daniel Eran Dilger (@DanielEran) January 9, 2016

Remember in 2012 and 2013 when iPad was supposed to be under grave threat from Nexus 7 at its breakthrough price of $199? Everyone watched in anticipation to see how Apple would react to cheap 7 inch tablets. But in reality, it didn't even bother to respond. Apple continued selling its own tablet products at prices more than twice as high as Google's bargain tab.

Despite that, iPads massively outsold Nexus 7, not to mention the rest of the entire production of Asus (the firm that was building Google's vanity tablet). It's clear Apple didn't consider Google's Nexus line to be a competitor that it needed to address in its own pricing. But the end result makes it pretty clear that Nexus never offered any real competition.

In fact, Apple's peak iPad sales, when the company reached above 20 million iPads in holiday quarters, were sold at record profits directly in the face of Nexus 7, a product that barely shows up in global tablet sales. Two years later, Apple is selling fewer iPads, but it's not because of tablet competitors. Google isn't even trying to sell cheap tablets anymore, and its tablet sales have never reached up into commercial significance.

Effective competition is not posed by a product that offers a dramatic price advantage yet fails to sell in relevant quantities. Last year, Apple's competition posed such little significance that the company dramatically expanded its sales even while raising the iPhone's Average Selling Price.

Hardware prices in the tech industry are supposed to go down. They are for everyone else. Also down are margins and overall profits. Apple's competitors are limping into 2016 even as Apple rolls into the new year on on a overboard made out of money.

Pity the iPhone maker



BI frets that Apple could possibly face flat growth in iPhone unit sales over the next year. That is, if you believe analysts who, based on December quarter supply chain channel checks, think they know how many phones Apple will sell three months from now, and who are currently contradicting Apple executives' own guidance pertaining to the quarter that just ended.

As noted in a year-end report by Philip Elmer-DeWitt of Fortune, "even bullish sell-side Apple analysts" including Daniel Ives of FBR; Mark Moskowitz of Barclays; Katy Huberty of Morgan Stanley; Amit Daryanani of RBC; Aaron Rakers of Stifle and Timothy Arcuri of Cowen have been voicing Peak Apple concerns rooted in their sell-side equity research.

Some bean counters needing to justify continued existence of sellside equity research have called peak Apple. Again. https://t.co/bt4UPcKXQf
— Ben Basche (@basche42) January 1, 2016

Yarow states, "Publicly traded technology companies like Apple are measured by their ability to grow earnings and revenue," but then ignores both and begins talking about unit sales, even though none of the analysts worrying about flat unit sales are saying anything about Apple's earnings and revenue being at risk.

Remember that many of these same analysts, including Morgan Stanley's Katy Huberty (who Yarow calls a "megabull on Apple"), were warning that Steve Jobs' Apple of 2008 faced a worrisome global macroeconomic climate that would kill sales of the premium products that the company was offering and drive impoverished recession victims into the arms of commodity product makers.

Back then, analysts were indeed worrying about revenue and earnings, not just unit sales. That talk helped crash the demand for Apple's stock, slashing its going rate among investors in half by the end of that year. But it wasn't true.

Despite a global recession stoked by a $4 trillion war and a catastrophic credit crunch incited by a dismantling of banking regulation, despite economic malaise contributing to unemployment and buyers with less cash on hand, Apple kept on selling more Macs and iPhones, and continued to earn record profits. Jay Yarow states, "Publicly traded technology companies like Apple are measured by their ability to grow earnings and revenue," but then ignores both and begins talking about unit sales

The analysts were wrong. Apple's stock price corrected itself by more than doubling in 2009, then nearly doubling again in 2010. In fact, Apple's stock has never ended a year with negative performance since 2008, except for this year, when analysts began saying the same kinds of things they were saying in 2008.

Currently, Apple's stock has hit a new recent low, but it's about 780 percent higher than it was back in 2008, when analysts who didn't really grasp Apple's business were describing bleak troubles that seemed "common sense" plausible to many investors at the time.

It's pretty clear those same analysts don't really understand today's Apple any better, in part because the Apple of today is much larger, has expanded into many new and differentiated regions and has a much more complex supply chain than it had in 2008, back when iPhones in the U.S.A. were only available via AT&T and the product wasn't even officially sold in China.

This year, Apple is selling an enhanced "s" version of its iPhone 6, the duo of larger models that last year began as unproven new products in the market and appeared—according to clickbait content generators—to face significant competition from Samsung, by far the largest Android phone maker.

Over the past year, iPhone 6 proved itself it be both very popular among early adopters and extremely satisfying to those who bought it, in stark contrast to Samsung, which witnessed a massive collapse in demand for its comparable, premium-range Galaxy S6 and Note 5 models.

Samsung is facing not just flat growth for the coming year, but has already experienced an end to its smartphone growth last year! Not only is Samsung Apple's largest hardware competitor, but it's the only significant firm that offers any real competitive threat to iPhones at all. And it's collapsing. It's actively warning its employees (and again warned investors this week, just as it did last year) that things are not going well.


Samsung again warning on profits last quarter [sic], as it did last year


Apple didn't warn analysts and investors that it was facing an end to iPhone growth. Tim Cook did the opposite during the September earnings call, explaining the credible reasons why the growth Apple was seeing with iPhone 6/6s would continue into the future.

Cook is neither a member of the media nor an executive for Samsung, so under FTC regulations he can't materially lie about the financial situation of his company and expect to get away with it. At the same time, prior to its earnings call Apple is in a quiet period, so hedge fund managers know they can say pretty much anything.

In early 2009, just after Apple's stock had last been ransacked by irresponsible financial reporting of CNBC, talk show personality Jon Stewart grilled Jim Cramer, the frantic host of its "Mad Money" entertainment show, for his act of being "doe-eyed innocent" while celebrating the admittedly illegal shenanigans of hedge fund managers, calling Cramer's act "disingenuous at best and criminal at worst."

Rampantly false reporting is back with a vengeance. Prior to Apple's last earnings call, Cook earlier interrupted the non-stop speculation then swirling about Apple's supposed problems in China. Rather than appreciating the appearance of reliable information based on facts, the same people who had been spreading lies about Apple in China turned on Cook and suggested that it was improper for him to tell the truth during lie-season, as if stock manipulators should be able to deceive the market without being challenged.

Since then, clickbait pundits have focused on the "difficult compare" Apple will have in matching its incredible success last year. However, myopically focusing on Apple's previous performance fails to consider that this year, its largest competitor and the only other very high-volume maker of premium smartphones is bruised and battered, after failing to show any competent capacity to actually challenge iPhone 6 across all of 2015 despite multiple new product launches.

Samsung, the only other very high-volume maker of premium smartphones, is bruised and battered after failing to show any competent capacity to actually challenge iPhone 6 across all of 2015 despite multiple new product launches.


Last year, Samsung released twice as many flagships as it formerly has; it also unveils major new offerings at least twice as often as Apple's annual refreshes. None of these really offered any resistance to iPhone 6.

Over the previous three years, Samsung essentially paved the way for larger smartphones, but then flopped badly in response to Apple moving into the big-phone product category that Samsung could previously point to as a real and obvious differentiation.

What's the next big thing? While Samsung already sells higher-resolution fablets than Apple's existing iPhones, those pixel counts are not an obvious differentiator in the market; based on what people were buying in 2015, iOS was considered more valuable than ultra high density screen resolutions. That wasn't as clear cut in 2014, when iOS was indeed losing some valuable sales on the high-end to Android phones with larger screens.

That indicates that in 2016, pixel counts are not going to make a significant difference. Samsung also can't keep releasing larger and larger phones, because the value of a large display quickly starts to become a size, weight and clumsy interface liability after 5.5 inches. Samsung (and other iOS rivals) will have to invent something completely new to even have a chance of winning back losses to iOS on the valuable high end, but nobody in Android-land has proven to be very good at inventing compelling new differentiating premium features.

Android's success has primarily come from how similar to iOS it can present itself as being, and Samsung's success has almost exclusively been based on closely replicating the appearance, behavior and features of iPhones as closely as it can. Unique inventions of Android and unique features conceived by Samsung have almost entirely been flops: LED trackballs, multiple hardware buttons, curved screens, 3D displays, hand waving gestures, eyeball tracking and facial recognition to name just a few.

On the other hand, Android has historically introduced earlier support for emerging technologies such as LTE, NFC and 4K video before Apple. That's changing. Not only is Apple developing its own leading A-series chips, but it's also now in a position where it can simply watch struggling Android vendors try to innovate and harvest their best ideas.

Now that the shoe is on the other foot, Apple has a series of clear advantages that Android makers can't afford to add to their downmarket portfolios, because Android hardware is increasingly differentiated only by price, and being cheap also means you don't have money to invest in new technology.

Only a few Android flagships offer something like Touch ID, 64-bit SoCs, or support Google or Samsung's version of Apple Pay, and none yet have shipped a 3D Touch equivalent. Few have anything comparable to Apple's ecosystem features like Continuity, HomeKit, HealthKit and CarPlay. In fact, Google is so slow at releasing new Android updates that less than a third of its Google Play users can plug into the company's version of CarPlay.

Apple is entering 2016 with an enhanced iPhone 6s lineup and a more affordable set of iPhone 6 models to offer, while Samsung has no success to build upon, and has instead clearly lost major market share and suffered a direct hit of its premium customer base. The Android licenses that have benefitted from Samsung's collapse are flooding the market with even cheaper models, making it even harder for Samsung to respond effectively to Apple's expansion on the high end.

Apple of 2016 is not really competing against Apple 2015; it's competing against Samsung 2016, and that competitor is looking awfully weak. Nobody else in Android land is looking significantly better, while Blackberry and Windows phones have also started into a battle with relevance for another year, further stripped of their weapons and armor. Even their most strident fans are giving up. That's also the case on Android.


Android is a feeding tube for iOS. Source: Ericsson


Given that only 30 percent of the iPhone user base upgraded to iPhone 6 last year, the rave reviews of that product and new expanded features on the high end 6s—and price options on the lower end 6—should have no problem extending the 6/6s upgrade cycle throughout 2016.

It may well be that Apple is seeing less demand for its latest iPhone 6s models, due to the fact that there is less to differentiate the 6 and 6s than there was between the 5s and the restyled 5c two years ago. However, this year Apple's "last year" model has a $100 premium Plus variant, and is offered in 16 or 64GB versions, making it more likely that even buyers who opt for a cheaper iPhone 6 will still maintain Apple's industry-leading Average Selling Prices.

And while Samsung and other Android licensees have struggled to sell premium models of any kind, even Apple's thriftiest customers will be delivering an ASP far higher than the ASP seen among Android phones.

Further, the likelihood of Apple revamping a new 4 inch "iPhone 6c" model this spring also looks capable of switching a generation of iPhone 5/5c/5s users who want a single handed-phone to a new, faster model with a better camera and support for Apple Pay. Apple of 2016 is not really competing against Apple 2015; it's competing against Samsung 2016, and that competitor is looking awfully weak

However, the biggest smartphone issue in Apple's favor going into 2016 is the extended malaise hanging over Android, Windows, Tizen and Blackberry, all of which have languished while their users have observed Apple making substantial technical leaps and rapidly distributing free updates that keep iPhone users secure from mass exploits, protected from incessant adware tracking, refreshed with new technical capabilities and (for most users) enhanced as increasingly fast and power-efficient devices.

While Apple is working on refinements and new features for iOS 10, Google is busy working to remove copyright infringing code from the next Android N, busywork that does nothing for Android users but delay other planned new features and fixes, with the potential side effect of introducing new bugs.

Between iOS upgraders and switchers from other platforms, Apple currently has no visible end to its smartphone expansion. Android is indeed a massively large platform on a global scale. But that's also opportunity for Apple. One only needs to look at the last several years of increasing Mac sales, fed largely from Windows defectors in an era of flat Windows growth.

Android is currently a larger pool to draw from than Windows was, and while much of that pool is shallow in terms of premium phone opportunity, it also represents a massive number of basic users who will eventually switch to a premium phone, the same way that basic "feature phone" users upgraded to smartphones over the last eight years.

Five years ago, Microsoft incorrectly bet that a partnership and then acquisition of Nokia could parlay that firm's still significant basic phone market share into a demand for Windows phones. That didn't happen.

Apple didn't have to spend billions of dollars to develop training wheels that taught basic phone users how much better smartphones were. Google did all the work and got its licensees to pay billions every year to advertise this. The beneficiary has clearly been the company that now earns 94 percent of the industry's profits.


Source: Canaccord Genuity

Until Apple actually begins to see flat growth in iPhones, let's instead look at its competitors, all of which are performing so extremely poorly that their own users are essentially being herded into Apple's iOS corral, without Apple needing to even do much work on its end. Once that gravy train slows down, then we can talk about the decisions Apple will be forced to make to maintain growth, such as the price slashing and billion dollar ad campaigns that Samsung and Microsoft have infamously tried, without much success.

But right now, can we stop the handwringing faux-pity over Apple's dire problems of making too much money while selling too many phones with the dire result of being challenged to improve upon that performance? Because that's not a problem, it's every CEO's fantasy.

Following upon this first segment, a second looks specifically at Apple's business outside of iPhones.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: apple; applepinglist; ios; iphone; macos; microsoft; samsung
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To: Chode
didn't apple just have over $1BILLION evaporate?

I didn't sell my shares, so I didn't lose any money at all. Did you?

Price/Earnings is insanely low right now.

21 posted on 01/10/2016 10:25:07 PM PST by CurlyDave
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To: Cementjungle
. . . they only have a high cut of the profits because their stuff is overpriced.

I love it when a naysayer who doesn't use Apple comes up with these kind of "bunk" claims and then makes a totally specious claim such as your "overpriced" BS.

So, if Apple hardware is "overpriced," pray tell, Cementjungke, who is holding a gun to the heads all those Apple buyers forcing them to buy these overpriced products? Or are you one of those Liberals who do not believe in the power of the free market? Do you REALLY believe that Apple was capable of selling over 1.2 BILLION iOS devices because they bamboozled all those buyers into thinking they were better than anything else out there? If you think that is true, you are totally delusional.

No, Cementjungle, a product is worth what a willing buyer and a wiling selling agree it is worth. Apple has established the value and the price of its iPhones by selling them to over 800 million willing buyers. Since YOU have not bought one, you are unqualified to even talk about the price as being "overpriced" because you literally don't have a clue, and you are unwilling to buy at the price these ~800 million have set as a value and price. All they have to do to avoid that is not buy Apple products. Easy.

No other company on the face of the earth has been able to sell their single products to that extent. Google's Android OS has to have almost 500 companies to help it reach that kind of number. . . and it still isn't making much of a profit for Google or even Google's partners. In fact, Google makes MORE off of Apple's iOS devices than than it does from Android. Apple is competing against ALL of those 500 and takes 94% of the profit. . . yet most of them, competing on price are in a race to the bottom, take home zero or less. Are you so dense you can't see the error in doing that?

22 posted on 01/10/2016 10:29:01 PM PST by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue....)
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To: BobL

Nothing good ever happens when you put a faggot in charge of a multibillion dollar company.

Most of this article is true, the problem is the stock is in freefall and no faggot is going to reverse that trend.

It will bottom out mid 2018,and if a non faggot is put in charge and they build products here instead of in China, it will start going up again.


23 posted on 01/10/2016 10:37:34 PM PST by Rome2000 (SMASH THE CPUSA-SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS-CLOSE ALL MOSQUES)
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To: Up Yours Marxists
Look, I’m not the one here posting lying Apple propaganda. It’s not my job to refute patently false claims. It’s YOUR responsibility to disprove proven financials from proven companies like Samsung, Microsoft, Lenovo, and all the others making profits on tablets, watches, and phones for 2015 and 2016.

No, it isn't my responsibility to disprove their financials. You claim this is lying propaganda. You are making the assertion of it being propaganda, not me. If you make the assertion, you need to prove it. I have not made any assertions at all about the financials you list. The article has. You claim they are. I suggest you post your proof and refute the article, not demand that I support it.

No you again attack me for what I have repeatedly told you is NOT TRUE. . . LIAR. Cut it out. Stop lying. Try it, it is easy to do, try it, you don't have to come on to Apple threads and be an asshat. Just ignore them. You don't have a clue and you don't provide ANY evidence for your claims. . . you just make drive by assertions with no proof.

Now. Exactly WHAT tablet has Microsoft made a profit on . . . not what hybrid device, what TABLET? What WATCH has Microsoft made a profit on? Show it to us? Does Lenovo have a watch? Samsung does. . . but what about profits? Can you break out their profits and show them to us? Or are you blowing smoke out of your rear oriface? You really don't know, do you? No, you pulled your challenge out of your rear with NO EVIDENCE!

Why should anyone take you seriously, Up Yours Marxist? Your only purpose here is to through bric-a-bats and toss insults. When you have some contrary evidence to the posted article, which, incidentally DOES have evidence in it, but which YOU CAN NOT BE BOTHERED TO READ, because you are an anti-Apple hating bigot, who has no open mind, post it.

24 posted on 01/10/2016 10:41:51 PM PST by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue....)
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To: Rome2000
It will bottom out mid 2018,and if a non faggot is put in charge and they build products here instead of in China, it will start going up again.

They are building the iMac and the Mac Pro in the US. Try to learn some facts before you post. Are there any other amor companies building their computers in the USA? ? ?

25 posted on 01/10/2016 10:45:43 PM PST by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue....)
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To: Swordmaker

Slinging more mud this way? Again, your article’s a bunch of lying propaganda fluff. Takes 2 minutes to disprove it’s slanted nonsense. Apple’s in deep trouble right now. Between sagging sales, the Chinese recession, and mobile providers dropping subsidies, they’ve got all their eggs in the WRONG basket. When you add the sheer incompetence at the board level, it doesn’t take a genius to read the tea leaves. Even Samsung’s shifting away from the market and moving into semiconductors to take up the slack.

Investors aren’t stupid. Neither are stock traders. Your cheerleading ain’t helping people here. You might want to put your pompoms away long enough to call a spade a spade and promote some healthy discussion on the pending disaster coming to this faggot-loving, lopsided, cult-ridden company. Somehow I doubt you can do that, considering where your paycheck comes from.


26 posted on 01/10/2016 10:53:52 PM PST by Up Yours Marxists
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To: Swordmaker

Cook is not good for Apple.

Americans are tired of homosexuals 24/7.

I have 5 IPhones and three Ipads, but like my Kindle HD 8.9 better, although my mother’s iPad mini is excellent as well.

Now that it’s time to upgrade phones, I will be looking elsewhere, not supporting the fags.


27 posted on 01/10/2016 10:57:26 PM PST by Rome2000 (SMASH THE CPUSA-SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS-CLOSE ALL MOSQUES)
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To: Up Yours Marxists
Look, I'm not the one here posting lying Apple propaganda. It's not my job to refute patently false claims. It's YOUR responsibility to disprove proven financials from proven companies like Samsung, Microsoft, Lenovo, and all the others making profits on tablets, watches, and phones for 2015 and 2016.

Since you ignorantly couldn't be bothered to read the article, and you maintain these other companies are making a profit, you obviously didn't bother to notice the chart which displaying the data THEY provided, did you? No, of course you didn't. You prefer to remain ignorant. . . which is stupid. That describes you to a "T":


Source: Canaccord Genuity

Wow! You did include smartphones in your delusional diatribe. . . and would you look at that, Microsoft, Samsung, and Lenovo are all listed. Oh, look, the only one of those showing a profit in phones is Samsung. Which I have been reporting all along. Microsoft in 2014 was way below ZERO. Oh, my. . . What you demanded was already provided for you. . . but you were too cowardly to look. What are you afraid of?

Nice try, no banana.

28 posted on 01/10/2016 11:10:50 PM PST by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue....)
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To: Swordmaker
So, if Apple hardware is "overpriced," pray tell, Cementjungke, who is holding a gun to the heads all those Apple buyers forcing them to buy these overpriced products?

Their genius is in the marketing.

29 posted on 01/10/2016 11:11:55 PM PST by Cementjungle
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To: Up Yours Marxists
Please post your proof of "sagging sales." Numbers only will do, Up Yours Marxists. Other wise, admit you are lying as usual. PROOF. That means links to evidence. Not mere claims. T-Mobile has never had subsidies and it has PLENTY of iPhone subscribers.

I can show you that dropping subsidies means diddly and squat. How will it impact Apple any more than it will impact any other high-end smartphone maker? Samsung is in deep doo-doo now and is loosing far more than any other. They had to lower prices to move their newer smartphones. Apple has not had to do that at all.

Apple's product demand seems to be going along fine.

You said TWO MINUTES. Show the drop in demand for Apple products. Two minutes. You made your assertion, now prove it.

Real world iPhone 6s adoption data contradicts Apple supplier channel check rumors

The product mix of iPhone models in Apple's real world installed base of users shows smooth adoption of iPhone 6s models and no evidence of a decline in demand that would require unexpected production cuts. This publicly available data severely undercuts the supply chain rumors supporting a narrative of "Peak iPhone" and reactionary order slashing.


Data reported by Boston-based mobile marketing firm Fiksu, which tracks usage analytics among the most popular 50 mobile apps including Facebook and Twitter (as noted by reader Jim Neil via Twitter), shows that iPhone 6s and 6s Plus have ramped up to account for more than 13 percent of the iPhone installed base within the first 100 days since their release. . .

More than 13%. That's 13% of 800 million iPhones. 104 million iPhone 6s and 6s plus in 100 days is hardly lack of demand.


30 posted on 01/10/2016 11:27:33 PM PST by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue....)
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To: TigerClaws
I have an original Kindle -- had it for 4 years now and very very pleased with it. It's super value for money.

But you must realise that the Kindle, and other Amazon products are sold at zero profit or at loss since the aim is for you to use it to buy more books, movies etc. from Amazon -- basically as tools for Amazon to sell more :) -- and I do buy a lot from Amazon.

So, a different model from Apple.

31 posted on 01/11/2016 1:23:27 AM PST by Cronos (Obama�s dislike of Assad is not based on Assad�s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Mosl)
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To: minnesota_bound

I got one — it’s worth it. Very expensive, but lives up to the hype


32 posted on 01/11/2016 1:25:06 AM PST by Cronos (Obama�s dislike of Assad is not based on Assad�s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Mosl)
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To: manc; Swordmaker

I think Swordmaker works and has investments with Apple. That doesn’t mean his articles are not interesting to read — I’m not an Apple fanboy, but they do have good products (just that I don’t buy any of them :)


33 posted on 01/11/2016 1:26:56 AM PST by Cronos (Obama�s dislike of Assad is not based on Assad�s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Mosl)
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To: SunkenCiv

Take heart! Its a huge buying opportunity! Plus the dividends keep rolling in.


34 posted on 01/11/2016 3:25:14 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: demshateGod
Actually the cheapest way to get to a desktop and a Mac is to buy a used one through OWC (MacSales), as long as you do not mind running an older OS. I use 10.68 (Snow Leopard) and it does everything I need. They are also the best place to order memory, drives, and other stuff - very good company.
35 posted on 01/11/2016 3:33:08 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: PIF

A dividend bit north of $2 a year does indeed look better after the share price plummets 20%, if that’s what you mean.


36 posted on 01/11/2016 3:48:55 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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To: TigerClaws

was thinking about getting a kindle as I heave heard many great things. Will look this week, thank you.


37 posted on 01/11/2016 3:56:29 AM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Swordmaker

“Which products would not? Every cellular phone is made in China.”

I wasn’t sure there...the article was about Apple and they have their huge plant, so yes, it would be a good time for everyone to upgrade if Trump looked to be winning.


38 posted on 01/11/2016 4:06:21 AM PST by BobL (Who cares? He's going to build a wall and stop this invasion.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Well one does need at least several blocks to make the dividend worth it. I’m thinking, if it goes much lower, of getting an other block. Just wish I’d not bought into the doom and gloom years ago and bought more at $8 per.


39 posted on 01/11/2016 4:07:12 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle
What Apple consistently does is produce a better next-gen than others do (or care to do, or are able to do), so little nuisances like a different power cord isn't of any concern. As a poor guy, those practices always put me off, but no company (with the possible exception of Ford and big food companies) ever got rich selling to poor guys.

Each time Apple has moved into a different product area they've gone their own way; the iPod wasn't the first portable digital music player (the Mac guys I know in real life all were using the SanDisk player before that time), but it is the best there is, and that product line has a spectrum of different models. The success of the iPod led to massive market penetration and awareness among people who'd never considered an Apple product.

Now there's a continuum from the iPods, through the iPhone (again, not the first smart phone, just the most successful), into iPads, into Mac notebook computers, into desktop CPUs. The iTunes platform exists across the lines, and is also present in AppleTV, which is often predicted to be the next big thing for Apple. The Apple Watch is a high-markup solution in search of a problem IMHO, but its eventual stagnation (or outright failure) isn't going to do anything bad to the company. If an Apple car actually emerges, I'll be surprised. Building a successful passenger vehicle is no joke, and trying to do it more often than not leads to a realization that one hadn't known what an ass-kicking really is.

40 posted on 01/11/2016 4:11:02 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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