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Battle of the Bulge, Hitler's Last offensive
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Posted on 12/17/2015 8:23:55 AM PST by WhiskeyX

Generals At War: Episode 06 The Battle of the Bulge The Greatest battle America ever fought was against Hitler's Army when it staged one of the last offensives of the war in Belgium against American troops who were alone and unprepared for the Nazi onslaught. Despite overwhelming odds American troops defeated the German Blitz preventing history from repeating itself as it did when Hitler first invaded Belgium in the begining of the war.

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TOPICS: History; Military/Veterans; TV/Movies
KEYWORDS: 3rdarmy; battleofthebulge; generalpatton; georgepatton; germany; history; thirdarmy; worldwareleven; ww2; wwii
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To: SeaHawkFan
Many historians state that victory for the Allies was assured on 9/3/39. Since Germany did not have the industrial capacity to sustain a World War, it's defeat was
assured from the get go. Remember, the Wehrmacht still relied on the horse for its logistics.
21 posted on 12/17/2015 9:00:54 AM PST by gusty
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To: dragonblustar

My dad was wounded in the Battle of the Bulge, near Bastogne. His half-track was hit by a bazooka shell and he carried shrapnel in his back the rest of his life.


22 posted on 12/17/2015 9:05:00 AM PST by Russ (Repeal the '17th amendment.)
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To: rey

I agree with you.

Through the lens of history, we can state that victory was all but assured by December, 1944, but at that time, it was not so clear.

There was great concern when the German forces began their assault against the relatively thin American lines in the Ardennes, and immediate success was achieved by the Wehrmacht and SS armor groups. Notably, Kampfgruppe Peiper’s rapid advance towards Antwerp.

Of course, we know now that it petered out, but at that time, it was not known, nor accepted widely, that it would peter out, eventually.


23 posted on 12/17/2015 9:08:52 AM PST by QualityMan (I will not comply.)
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To: gusty

I suppose one could also fairly argue that victory was assured on December 7, 1941.

The might of the United States industrial capacity and American military leadership and fighting spirit was going to overwhelm those of Germany and Japan. Even the Japanese Admiral Yamamoto, who had been educated and spent time in the USA said after Pearl Harbor, “I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve.”


24 posted on 12/17/2015 9:09:21 AM PST by SeaHawkFan
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To: rey

George Patton agreed with you; other generals, Omar Bradley included, were not expecting the Ardennes Offensive and was flat footed. Patton had plans in hand, as he understood in war, until it is over, it ain’t over.


25 posted on 12/17/2015 9:10:02 AM PST by bajabaja (Too ugly to be scanned at the airports.)
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To: ClearBlueSky

One cousin was a truck driver, and he was captured along with his friend when their truck convoy was attacked and captured by SS Panzers attacking cross country to the road they were on behind the frontlines. They were marched into Germany over a period of months, and many of them did not survive the months long outdoors exposure in that bitterly cold winter weather on their way to the POW camp inside Germany. They often faced the agonizing choice of whether to withhold a morsel of poor food from a dying man in order to give another Prisoner a better hope for survival.

Another cousin was a company commander of an infantry unit on the frontline. He lost command and control of his infantry company within the first few minutes of the attack as the Panzers overran them in their positions. He and the other survivors of this initial tank assault started to escape and evade in the hopes of reaching some new American defense lines in the rear. They had to run as fast as possible behind the German tanks to keep from being captured by the German line of infantry following up behind the wave of the German Panzer and Panzergrenadier assault wave. Some of them made it back to the new American defense lines and were attached to the units holding on there.


26 posted on 12/17/2015 9:12:58 AM PST by WhiskeyX
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To: WhiskeyX

My father-in-law was captured on Christmas Eve in the Ardennes during the Battle of the Bulge. They were eating at the time. All of the sudden Germans were standing over them. His buddies had removed their helmets to hold their dinner and had to drop them and leave them. He was still wearing his and was thankful for head covering in the following days during the long march to Germany.


27 posted on 12/17/2015 9:19:21 AM PST by FourPeas (Tone matters.)
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To: WhiskeyX
Too bad Deep in the Hurtgen Forest (DITHF) and Brian Williams are not here to give their accounts:


28 posted on 12/17/2015 9:31:59 AM PST by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!)
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To: gusty

The only two Armies that were totally motorized were the Americans and the British. The Russians were probably less motored than the Germans.


29 posted on 12/17/2015 9:34:42 AM PST by Little Bill (EVICT Queen Jean)
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To: angcat
... during the end of WW2 and they were looking for men to draft.

The minimum draft eligibility requirements dropped precipitously by the end of the war. Particularly for those destined to be infantry men.

I was shocked when I heard it on a Book TV piece about the growth of the facility for processing returned personal property of those killed.

30 posted on 12/17/2015 9:35:03 AM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: PGR88

Any relation to Hermann Goering?


31 posted on 12/17/2015 9:46:14 AM PST by Coronal
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To: SMARTY

Horrendous casualties in the tens of thousands from frostbite and exposure as most of our troops were in summer clothing.
Some “brilliant Genius”, (was it Omar Bradly?) decided the “War Will Be Over By Christmas” and put the men’s winter gear in storage, not shipping it to the front lines as would have been prudent.


32 posted on 12/17/2015 9:46:45 AM PST by Mollypitcher1 (I have not yet begun to fight....John Paul Jones)
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To: SMARTY
he said it was brutally cold

In the '60s I played golf with a older man on a brutally hot day. I complained about the oppressive heat along with everyone else, but I noticed that he did not. Curious, I asked him why. He said he was so cold during the Battle of the Bulge that he swore he would never again complain about being too hot.

33 posted on 12/17/2015 9:49:50 AM PST by Hebrews 11:6 (Do you REALLY believe that (1) God IS, and (2) God IS GOOD?)
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To: Russ

Visited Bastogne this past summer. The Memorial there is magnificent and the museums overwhelming. In the forests, the fox holes can still be seen and shell holes have never filled in. It is an awesome sight.


34 posted on 12/17/2015 9:49:51 AM PST by Mollypitcher1 (I have not yet begun to fight....John Paul Jones)
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To: WhiskeyX

In today’s world the politicians would have won the Battle of the Bulge but then abandoned Belgium to the Nazi’s.


35 posted on 12/17/2015 9:51:14 AM PST by minnesota_bound
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To: QualityMan

I believe Peiper’s advance petered out due to fuel shortage as well as determined resistance from our troops. Same story for Rommel at El Alamain. Hitler bit off more than he could chew.


36 posted on 12/17/2015 9:53:11 AM PST by Mollypitcher1 (I have not yet begun to fight....John Paul Jones)
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To: Calvin Locke

Due to the euphoria of the impending German defeat the extraordinarily massive list of casualties incurred during the final battle for Germany is too often overlooked.


37 posted on 12/17/2015 9:54:38 AM PST by WhiskeyX
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To: Mollypitcher1

When the weather broke, the Germans were toast.


38 posted on 12/17/2015 9:55:24 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you really want to irritate someone, point out something obvious they are trying hard to ignore.)
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To: rey

Ironically, as Jon Toland shared in his book, the initial heavy casualties we suffered in the Battle of the Bulge were a blessing. By the Germans coming out of their bunkers and attacking in open ground, many generals and historians believed there were much fewer casualties and we were able to march on Germany much quicker then if we would have had to battle through their bunkers. I highly recommend Battle: The Story of the Bulge by Jon Toland. He wrote the book much earlier then many of the later ones by Steve Ambrose and others. Very informative , great heroic stories from first hand accounts. Midway and the Bulge were probably the two biggest swing battles and they were won almost entirely by US troops, unlike Normandy when it was a coalition of forces.


39 posted on 12/17/2015 10:00:05 AM PST by shoedog
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To: WhiskeyX

General George S. Patton was the only WW 2 Commander who knew it was going to happen.


40 posted on 12/17/2015 10:02:15 AM PST by wjcsux ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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