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1 posted on 12/02/2015 11:32:33 PM PST by abigkahuna
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To: abigkahuna

Eliminate moslem from the planet.


2 posted on 12/02/2015 11:35:10 PM PST by exnavy (good gun control: two hands, one shot, one kill.)
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To: abigkahuna
Sharia Law could be separated from Islam so that Islam could be compatible with the western world.

How do you separate Islam from Mohammed?

4 posted on 12/02/2015 11:37:40 PM PST by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason and rule of law. Prepare!)
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To: abigkahuna

Great - Polygamy was stripped from Mormons.

Ok, then, just strip Polygamy from Islam, and we’ll be all set.

Never thought of that. That certainly would have prevented all this mess.


7 posted on 12/02/2015 11:40:48 PM PST by tinyowl (A equals A)
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To: abigkahuna

“...a precedence in having a religion change one of its core tenets...”

Mormonism was still a relatively new sect in 1890. And some did not and still do not go along with the “change”. Mohammad’s zip wads have been around since the 600s so things are more in-bedded.


8 posted on 12/02/2015 11:40:58 PM PST by Monterrosa-24 ( ...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47)
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To: abigkahuna
Sharia Law could be separated from Islam so that Islam could be compatible with the western world.

Only in your dreams, pal.

First off there is no human being authorized to change laws that come from God himself.

Second, even if the changes you want did come from God, there is no way to prove it. especially to a Muslim whose entire belief system rotates on the pivot that Mohammad was and remains God's final prophet. Good luck getting past that one.

Third, any Muslim promulgating such a thing would be killed for heresy and apostasy likely within the first thirty days. It's happened before. Apostasy and heresy are frowned upon in the Muslim world.

12 posted on 12/02/2015 11:55:01 PM PST by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: abigkahuna
You are too sanguine. Muslims see themselves as winning because of Western weakness in will and demographic decline and the extraordinary wealth provided by petroleum. As in the past, only a series of decisive defeats will tame Muslim ambitions and lead to an easing away from their doctrines of worldwide conquest over all infidels.

Moreover, American Muslims have no say in formulating the doctrines of Islam, which are in the hands of religious authorities in Saudi Arabia and Iran as the countries that lead the Sunni and Shiite sects. Thus any "American solution" to the problem of Islam would require the cordoning off of US Muslims from immigration, financial aid, and other forms of influence from the worldwide Muslim community.

That would be a sound policy for the sake of domestic tranquility but would not affect the larger strategic issues raised by Islamic terrorism and the grand jihad of worldwide conquest. Those will have to be settled by force and other means of power that can be brought to bear against Islamic terrorism and dreams of global conquest.

17 posted on 12/03/2015 12:11:37 AM PST by Rockingham
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To: abigkahuna

Why do we even have to be bothered with such nonsense? Moslems shouldn’t be here in the first place because their “religion” is incompatible with a free people living in a land of liberty under our Constitution. Our founding generation knew this and said outright that Mohammadanism was a retrograde influence. We don’t need or want them here. Further, there is nothing in the Constitution that requires us to be exposed to all of their murder and mayhem. We need to inform asinine liberals, corrupt Marxocrats, misguided religionists, and the CoC and their RINO colleagues that we will not allow their asinine policy preferences to drive what we do as a nation. Trump 2016.


18 posted on 12/03/2015 2:53:01 AM PST by DrPretorius
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To: abigkahuna

Study what it means to be Christian and the historic facts.
Then study when Islam evolved and its tenets.

Islam is not a comparative religion.
It does encourage its followers to substitute worship to a person other than God and treat those who do worship God as enemies. It is a false religion.

A humanist perspective which attempts to judge God by placing man first before God is also a false system of worship.

The only Muslims who don’t try to kill those who aren’t Muslims are those Muslims who haven’t really studied the Koran and those who merely pretend to be Muslim to avoid adversity from other Muslims.


20 posted on 12/03/2015 3:12:28 AM PST by Cvengr ( Adversity in life & death is inevitable; Stress is optional through faith in Christ.)
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To: abigkahuna

The USA in 1890 was a different country and the government was not trying to destroy the country as it is now. We had the moral courage to tell a religion that it was incompatible then.

We do not have that anymore. Most Americans are too afraid of being labeled racist or some other-ist. So we only water down our own beliefs to be “inclusive”. We tell our own people to not have strong beliefs so that others who do have strong beliefs can have them here without any questions.

The new America will force Christians to accept gay pastors, but will not stop muzlum so from preaching jihad....and acting on it.


21 posted on 12/03/2015 3:20:52 AM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: abigkahuna

By using discernment when electing our officials..


23 posted on 12/03/2015 3:31:13 AM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: abigkahuna

According to their koran, anyone trying to change anything about their religion is supposed to be put to immediate death by their true believers.


25 posted on 12/03/2015 4:03:57 AM PST by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: abigkahuna
Any ideas on how that particular problem could be circumvented?

Since Islam has been misdiagnosed here in the USofA - Islam is a totalitarian political system with a religious tenet in the same vein that the Democrat party is a political system with progressivism as its religious tenet - there is no way to ever make Islam compatible with a free electorate. Ben Carson had it right - you can't trust a Muslim to respect the Constitution for the United States.
26 posted on 12/03/2015 4:38:56 AM PST by Montana_Sam (Truth lives.)
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To: abigkahuna

Thank you for the post and the thought. Something to think about and discuss.


27 posted on 12/03/2015 5:12:56 AM PST by ThePatriotsFlag ( Anything FREELY-GIVEN by the government was TAKEN from someone else)
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To: abigkahuna

Not possible.

TET, TAKE TWO:
ISLAM’S 2016 EUROPEAN OFFENSIVE

By Matthew Bracken, November 2015

More than a decade ago I wrote my first novel, Enemies Foreign and Domestic. Part of my motivation was to establish my bona fides at forecasting social, political and military trends. I didn’t like the direction America was heading, and I wanted to warn as many readers as possible about some of the dangers I saw coming. At the end of 2015, I hope that my past success at prognostication will encourage people to pay heed to this essay.

As we roll into the New Year, we are witnessing the prelude to the culmination of a titanic struggle between three great actors. Three great social forces are now set in motion for a 2016 showdown and collision that will, in historical terms, be on par with the First and Second World Wars.

Two of these great social forces are currently allied in a de facto coalition against the third. They have forged an unwritten agreement to jointly murder the weakest of the three forces while it is in their combined power to do so. One of these two social forces would be content to share totalitarian control over large swaths of the globe with the other remaining social force. One of these social forces will never be satisfied until it achieves complete domination of the entire planet. So what are these three great social forces? They are Islam, international socialism, and nationalism. Allow me to explain the salient aspects of each, and how they relate to the coming 2016 cataclysm.

1. ISLAM

Islam is similar to a self-replicating supercomputer virus. It is a hydra-headed monster, designed by its creators to be an unstoppable formula for global conquest. It’s almost impossible to eradicate, because it has no central brain or control center. Islam is like a starfish: when you cut off a limb, another grows to replace it. The names of the Muslim leaders, and the names of their Islamic groups, are transitory and ultimately unimportant. Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda are succeeded by Al-Baghdadi and the Islamic State, but they will all pass from the scene and be replaced by others. While Muslim leaders and regimes have come and gone, Islam itself has remained steadfastly at war with the non-Muslim world for 1,400 years.

Islam does not recognize secular national boundaries. To devout Muslims, there are only two significant realms of the world. First is the Dar al-Islam—the House of Islam, which is the land of the believers. The other is the Dar al-Harb—the House of War, which must be made Islamic by any means, including violent jihad. The expansion of Islam is sometimes held in check for long periods, but more often Islam is on the march, acquiring new territory. Once conquered by Islam, territory is rarely taken back, Spain being a notable exception.

The Muslim world produces almost no books or new inventions. Short of finding oil under their feet, most Islamic nations are backward and impoverished. So wherein lies the power source for Islam’s nearly constant expansion over the past fourteen centuries? The motor and the battery of Islam are the Koran and the Hadith, or sayings of Mohammed. A messianic Mahdi, Caliph or Ayatollah with sufficient charisma can accelerate Islam’s pace of conquest, but individual men are not the driving force.

Secular “Muslim in name only” strongmen from Saddam Hussein to Muamar Qadafi can hold Islamism in check for a period with brutal methods, but strongmen are often assassinated or otherwise removed from power, and in any event, they cannot live forever. Once the secular strongmen are gone, fanatical mullahs are able to stir their zealous Muslim followers into sufficient ardor to reinstall a radical Islamist regime under Sharia Law, according to the Koran.

This pattern of secular strongmen being followed by fanatical Islamist leaders has recurred many times over the past millennia and longer. Do not be fooled by modernists like King Abdullah of Jordon. To the true believer of Islam, any king or strongman is never more than a rifle shot or grenade toss away from being kinetically deposed, and replaced by another Islamist fanatic.

The persistent virulence of Mohammed’s 7th Century plan for global domination means that it is always ready to erupt in a fresh outbreak. Islam is like a brushfire or ringworm infection: it is dead and barren within the ring, but flares up where it parasitically feeds off the healthy non-Islamic societies around it. What produces this uniquely fanatical motivation, from within nations and peoples that otherwise seem devoid of energy and new ideas?

The motivation lies within the words of the Koran and Hadith. Most simply distilled, in the earthly realm, these Islamic texts offer immoral men sanction for thrill-killing, looting, raping, and capturing infidel slaves, and when these jihadists are killed, they are promised a perpetual orgy with seventy-two nubile virgin slave girls in Mohammed’s sick, evil and perverted Muslim paradise. Unlike the Jewish and Christian Bibles, the Koran and Hadith appeal not to man’s better angels, but to the darkest aspects of human nature. (Tellingly, Moses and Jesus are said to have climbed to mountaintops to communicate with their God, while Mohammed received his messages from Allah deep inside a bat cave.)

A meaningful or permanent reformation of Islam is impossible, because a new generation of fanatics, wielding the unexpurgated Koran and Hadith as their weapons, will always declare the reformists to be apostates and murder them. In Islam, the fanatics who are holding the unalterable Koran in one hand and a sword in the other always stand ready to seize complete power and exterminate their enemies.

This latent danger breeds fear and causes nearly all non-Muslims to be carefully circumspect in their dealings with Muslims, lest they lose their heads at a later date. This intentionally fostered fear of Islam is used as a cudgel against those who would otherwise resist its domination. The immutable Koran is the constant fountainhead of bloody Islamic conquest. Radical Islam is the pure Islam, the Koranic Islam, the real Islam.
Anyone who does not understand this bitter reality is dangerously ignorant of the past 1,400 years of human history.

(That is the beginning of my essay.)


28 posted on 12/03/2015 5:36:09 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: abigkahuna
Basically, the Manifesto of 1890 had the church strip the polygamy tenets from their religion.

Present day 'Mormonism' has a wee bit of a problem...


"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned;

and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given,

and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned.

Brigham Young - JoD 3:266 (July 14, 1855)

37 posted on 12/03/2015 6:09:16 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: abigkahuna
Anything is possible, but you'd need to have a society that was as revolted by some religious tenet as 19th century America was by polygamy.

It's like secession or civil war: issues as divisive as slavery are rare, so secession or civil war is not going to happen.

Also, Mormonism was the dominant religion in Utah. Utah wanted into the union. The rest of the country did want Utah with polygamy.

So all the leverage was on the side of the federal government. If you don't want much from them, it's harder for them to strong-arm you.

46 posted on 12/04/2015 1:14:46 PM PST by x
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