Posted on 12/02/2015 11:32:32 PM PST by abigkahuna
Rattling around my brain for some time now has been the Manifesto of 1890 by the Church of Latter Day Saints and how it led to the eventual statehood for Utah. Basically, the Manifesto of 1890 had the church strip the polygamy tenets from their religion.
Islam in its current form is incompatible with a democratic republic. The United States has a precedence in having a religion change one of its core tenets. Sharia Law could be separated from Islam so that Islam could be compatible with the western world.
The problem with this idea though, is that the government could also use that same precedence to force Christian based religions to strip any admonitions to homosexuality, abortion, morality, etc...
Any ideas on how that particular problem could be circumvented?
The USA in 1890 was a different country and the government was not trying to destroy the country as it is now. We had the moral courage to tell a religion that it was incompatible then.
We do not have that anymore. Most Americans are too afraid of being labeled racist or some other-ist. So we only water down our own beliefs to be “inclusive”. We tell our own people to not have strong beliefs so that others who do have strong beliefs can have them here without any questions.
The new America will force Christians to accept gay pastors, but will not stop muzlum so from preaching jihad....and acting on it.
>>That would take a degree in Theology, of which I do not have. How did the Mormons rectify the polygamy issue and separate that from Mormonism. Is it that Brigham Young decided that that no longer was a revelation?
Simple. The government made THEM find a way.
But, a very large percentage of Americans still recite the Liberal Shaheed every time that mention Islam: “Islam is a religion of peace, and those who practice terror are not real Muslims.” That statement is our national surrender to these 7th century bandits. From GWB on 9/12 on, this has been our call to surrender.
By using discernment when electing our officials..
With a scimitar..
According to their koran, anyone trying to change anything about their religion is supposed to be put to immediate death by their true believers.
Thank you for the post and the thought. Something to think about and discuss.
Not possible.
TET, TAKE TWO:
ISLAM’S 2016 EUROPEAN OFFENSIVE
By Matthew Bracken, November 2015
More than a decade ago I wrote my first novel, Enemies Foreign and Domestic. Part of my motivation was to establish my bona fides at forecasting social, political and military trends. I didn’t like the direction America was heading, and I wanted to warn as many readers as possible about some of the dangers I saw coming. At the end of 2015, I hope that my past success at prognostication will encourage people to pay heed to this essay.
As we roll into the New Year, we are witnessing the prelude to the culmination of a titanic struggle between three great actors. Three great social forces are now set in motion for a 2016 showdown and collision that will, in historical terms, be on par with the First and Second World Wars.
Two of these great social forces are currently allied in a de facto coalition against the third. They have forged an unwritten agreement to jointly murder the weakest of the three forces while it is in their combined power to do so. One of these two social forces would be content to share totalitarian control over large swaths of the globe with the other remaining social force. One of these social forces will never be satisfied until it achieves complete domination of the entire planet. So what are these three great social forces? They are Islam, international socialism, and nationalism. Allow me to explain the salient aspects of each, and how they relate to the coming 2016 cataclysm.
1. ISLAM
Islam is similar to a self-replicating supercomputer virus. It is a hydra-headed monster, designed by its creators to be an unstoppable formula for global conquest. It’s almost impossible to eradicate, because it has no central brain or control center. Islam is like a starfish: when you cut off a limb, another grows to replace it. The names of the Muslim leaders, and the names of their Islamic groups, are transitory and ultimately unimportant. Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda are succeeded by Al-Baghdadi and the Islamic State, but they will all pass from the scene and be replaced by others. While Muslim leaders and regimes have come and gone, Islam itself has remained steadfastly at war with the non-Muslim world for 1,400 years.
Islam does not recognize secular national boundaries. To devout Muslims, there are only two significant realms of the world. First is the Dar al-Islam—the House of Islam, which is the land of the believers. The other is the Dar al-Harb—the House of War, which must be made Islamic by any means, including violent jihad. The expansion of Islam is sometimes held in check for long periods, but more often Islam is on the march, acquiring new territory. Once conquered by Islam, territory is rarely taken back, Spain being a notable exception.
The Muslim world produces almost no books or new inventions. Short of finding oil under their feet, most Islamic nations are backward and impoverished. So wherein lies the power source for Islam’s nearly constant expansion over the past fourteen centuries? The motor and the battery of Islam are the Koran and the Hadith, or sayings of Mohammed. A messianic Mahdi, Caliph or Ayatollah with sufficient charisma can accelerate Islam’s pace of conquest, but individual men are not the driving force.
Secular “Muslim in name only†strongmen from Saddam Hussein to Muamar Qadafi can hold Islamism in check for a period with brutal methods, but strongmen are often assassinated or otherwise removed from power, and in any event, they cannot live forever. Once the secular strongmen are gone, fanatical mullahs are able to stir their zealous Muslim followers into sufficient ardor to reinstall a radical Islamist regime under Sharia Law, according to the Koran.
This pattern of secular strongmen being followed by fanatical Islamist leaders has recurred many times over the past millennia and longer. Do not be fooled by modernists like King Abdullah of Jordon. To the true believer of Islam, any king or strongman is never more than a rifle shot or grenade toss away from being kinetically deposed, and replaced by another Islamist fanatic.
The persistent virulence of Mohammed’s 7th Century plan for global domination means that it is always ready to erupt in a fresh outbreak. Islam is like a brushfire or ringworm infection: it is dead and barren within the ring, but flares up where it parasitically feeds off the healthy non-Islamic societies around it. What produces this uniquely fanatical motivation, from within nations and peoples that otherwise seem devoid of energy and new ideas?
The motivation lies within the words of the Koran and Hadith. Most simply distilled, in the earthly realm, these Islamic texts offer immoral men sanction for thrill-killing, looting, raping, and capturing infidel slaves, and when these jihadists are killed, they are promised a perpetual orgy with seventy-two nubile virgin slave girls in Mohammed’s sick, evil and perverted Muslim paradise. Unlike the Jewish and Christian Bibles, the Koran and Hadith appeal not to man’s better angels, but to the darkest aspects of human nature. (Tellingly, Moses and Jesus are said to have climbed to mountaintops to communicate with their God, while Mohammed received his messages from Allah deep inside a bat cave.)
A meaningful or permanent reformation of Islam is impossible, because a new generation of fanatics, wielding the unexpurgated Koran and Hadith as their weapons, will always declare the reformists to be apostates and murder them. In Islam, the fanatics who are holding the unalterable Koran in one hand and a sword in the other always stand ready to seize complete power and exterminate their enemies.
This latent danger breeds fear and causes nearly all non-Muslims to be carefully circumspect in their dealings with Muslims, lest they lose their heads at a later date. This intentionally fostered fear of Islam is used as a cudgel against those who would otherwise resist its domination. The immutable Koran is the constant fountainhead of bloody Islamic conquest. Radical Islam is the pure Islam, the Koranic Islam, the real Islam.
Anyone who does not understand this bitter reality is dangerously ignorant of the past 1,400 years of human history.
(That is the beginning of my essay.)
“What I am talking about at least here in the United States is a sort of reformation for Islam, if that is at all possible.”
And how much blood, and whose blood, and for how long, would you be willing to sacrifice in order to bring them into civilized behavior?
odawg wrote: “And how much blood, and whose blood, and for how long, would you be willing to sacrifice in order to bring them into civilized behavior?”
odawg, how much is the world shedding now? I suppose one could easily argue that we have been shedding blood since 700 AD. But for us here in the United States, since 1968 at the very least. (RFK)
As I understand it, Islam can not be reformed or exist in any form in a civilized world. Thus now the question will be, how does the nation and thusly, the world go about eradicating this theo-political system.
If that is a reference to Sirhan, bear in mind that Sirhan Sirhan is a Christian who grew up in Pasadena, California.
Thanks for the correction.
The alternative to taking action is to let Holy Mother Russia clean up our mess for us. They can nuke the cities and come on in and sell us all of our own oil and gas.
Russia is calculating how far they can go now that they are the last man standing with a plethora of nukes. To add fuel to the fire, the Russian Orthodox Church is the quasi-state church of the Russian Federation. There is NO separation of Church and State in Russia. This is the open secret of our lifetime.
Exactly!
And I hope Scimitar is the name of an Aegis type
computer operated automatic gatling gun defense system.
There are multitudes of peaceful, kind and moral Muslims, who are both repulsed at ISIS as well as the lax morality of so-called Christian America (which makes evangelizing them harder). But until such separate themselves from their bloody fascist counterparts and oppose manifestly them then what warrant can they claim for believing they are really different and will remain so?
While the MSM did try to present Fred Phelps as representing conservative Christians, no person could rationally, reasonably (not that the MSM can be expected to be so) conclude that Christians are a dangerous threat to the US due to what Mormons did in murdering innocent souls and some of the US Army, or because of Jim Jones, as such are hardly a norm, and have been condemned by Christians and would be at the drop of a hate.
Likewise witch trials and the like, including the Inquisitions (though there are radical RCs, even here, who affirm the work and means of the latter and hope for a Catholic monarchy).
Real Christian's can condemn all such as not Scriptural, for there simply is no support for the Christian church ruling over those without with the sword of men, and exterminating those who simply theologically oppose it, or using the state to do so.
But peaceful Muslims have a harder time, for at best the disjointed nature of the Qur'an lacks the historical narratives of Scripture which provides context for its OT theocratic warfare, as well as the response of the church to persecution, and clear teachings on this issue.
Moreover, Christ exampled what He meant by what He did, turning the other cheek versus seeking to avenge, as did Muhammad, in killing those who opposed him.
And at worse, the Qur'an supports the bloody religious conquestorial nature of ISIS Islam.
As for the Mormons, they were on their way to being a violent threat, as are all religions that effectively place men above Scripture, and the veracity of truth claims being based upon Scriptural substantiation.
But the Christian influenced culture was strong enough to prevent that, as well as to absorb and convert massive amounts of immigrants to its values.
But today with the flag of Sodom flying, etc. expecting prideful cultures who basically uphold many traditional values to "convert" to what they see as more akin to a prostitute is highly presumptuous.
Until America substantially gets back to God and its basic conservative evangelical Christian faith then it can only expect to slowly descend into more deception and declension.
The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God. (Psalms 9:17) As an analogy, what if a medieval type pope was elected and established a Catholic monarchy, under which all non-Catholics were being exterminated. Since fundamental evangelical . some radical Catholics went about killing all who would not submit to a future
I believe it is only on hold, not abrogated. Like Muhammad, Smith's visions accommodated his desires, then like the so-called "vision" that changed the law excluding blacks from the Aaronic (unScriptural in the NT) priesthood, then they can come with ways of changing even everlasting covenants.
When man is the supreme autocratic authority then the past only means what they define it as being. They is why Mormonism or any such faith is dangerous to both soul and body. As it can redefine itself and reinvent itself, it can always revert back to a more dangerous form.
And yet this is what the official state "religion" of secularism has become.
Present day 'Mormonism' has a wee bit of a problem...
"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned;
and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given,
and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned.
Brigham Young - JoD 3:266 (July 14, 1855)
How do you separate the founder of Mormonism from Mohammed?
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Not hardly!
There are PLENTY of men that CLAIM stuff comes from 'GOD'.
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