Posted on 12/02/2015 11:32:32 PM PST by abigkahuna
Rattling around my brain for some time now has been the Manifesto of 1890 by the Church of Latter Day Saints and how it led to the eventual statehood for Utah. Basically, the Manifesto of 1890 had the church strip the polygamy tenets from their religion.
Islam in its current form is incompatible with a democratic republic. The United States has a precedence in having a religion change one of its core tenets. Sharia Law could be separated from Islam so that Islam could be compatible with the western world.
The problem with this idea though, is that the government could also use that same precedence to force Christian based religions to strip any admonitions to homosexuality, abortion, morality, etc...
Any ideas on how that particular problem could be circumvented?
Eliminate moslem from the planet.
Well, yeah, ahh okay, sure, whatever. What I am talking about at least here in the United States is a sort of reformation for Islam, if that is at all possible.
How do you separate Islam from Mohammed?
Not possible, study history.
That would take a degree in Theology, of which I do not have. How did the Mormons rectify the polygamy issue and separate that from Mormonism. Is it that Brigham Young decided that that no longer was a revelation?
Great - Polygamy was stripped from Mormons.
Ok, then, just strip Polygamy from Islam, and we’ll be all set.
Never thought of that. That certainly would have prevented all this mess.
“...a precedence in having a religion change one of its core tenets...”
Mormonism was still a relatively new sect in 1890. And some did not and still do not go along with the “change”. Mohammad’s zip wads have been around since the 600s so things are more in-bedded.
I don’t disagree. Maybe its an Arabic thing. I know many Sengalese muslims that do not adhere to the more draconian practices of Islam. Yeah, they are practicing, in so much as they pray five times a day and don’t eat pork, but their attitude is vastly different from their practicing Arab co-religionists.
I don’t think it takes a degree in theology. Mohammed was held up as the ultimate archetype of what a muslim should be. As one would expect from the founder of any religion. He was a murderer, a terrorist, a thief, a rapist and a pedophile. How can any muslim condemn those behaviors without condemning their holy prophet? Never mind condemning them they are supposed to emulate Mohammed’s behavior.
So we are left with two choices that I see. 1) The government bans the practice of Islam, or, 2) The government forces Islam to change.
With Utah Statehood, Congress did not choose to ban Mormonism, The Church of Latter Day Saints finally came around to changing the polygamy issues themselves in order to have statehood for Utah. Sort of a carrot and a stick approach. Constitutionally, I have little problem with that method.
Constitutionally, how does the government do the 1 or 2 listed above? Can it?
Only in your dreams, pal.
First off there is no human being authorized to change laws that come from God himself.
Second, even if the changes you want did come from God, there is no way to prove it. especially to a Muslim whose entire belief system rotates on the pivot that Mohammad was and remains God's final prophet. Good luck getting past that one.
Third, any Muslim promulgating such a thing would be killed for heresy and apostasy likely within the first thirty days. It's happened before. Apostasy and heresy are frowned upon in the Muslim world.
Not in my dreams John, only in my feeble brain. I totally understand what you are saying and do not disagree. The question remains, Constitutionally, how does the government deal with such a doctrine? Label it as un-American?
And sorry for posting and running, but its time for bed. Goodnight All!
Now don’t you worry. Along with the money from Saudi Arabia to build all those new mosques there in Senegal come all new imams to correct all the corrupted local practices. Seen it happen all over Java - newly minted coconut Arabs. it is cultural genocide, but hey in the name of religion and the Will of Allah, right?
Constitutionally, you have to declare Islam not a religion, True, but this is a political impossibility at the moment. On the other hand, you can certainly ban the enforcement of Sharia within our borders. But that is also contrary to the libtard vision of cultural diversity.
Moreover, American Muslims have no say in formulating the doctrines of Islam, which are in the hands of religious authorities in Saudi Arabia and Iran as the countries that lead the Sunni and Shiite sects. Thus any "American solution" to the problem of Islam would require the cordoning off of US Muslims from immigration, financial aid, and other forms of influence from the worldwide Muslim community.
That would be a sound policy for the sake of domestic tranquility but would not affect the larger strategic issues raised by Islamic terrorism and the grand jihad of worldwide conquest. Those will have to be settled by force and other means of power that can be brought to bear against Islamic terrorism and dreams of global conquest.
Why do we even have to be bothered with such nonsense? Moslems shouldn’t be here in the first place because their “religion” is incompatible with a free people living in a land of liberty under our Constitution. Our founding generation knew this and said outright that Mohammadanism was a retrograde influence. We don’t need or want them here. Further, there is nothing in the Constitution that requires us to be exposed to all of their murder and mayhem. We need to inform asinine liberals, corrupt Marxocrats, misguided religionists, and the CoC and their RINO colleagues that we will not allow their asinine policy preferences to drive what we do as a nation. Trump 2016.
Considering that the government (white house) is riddled by moslem brotherhood handlers, the issue is a nonstarter.
Study what it means to be Christian and the historic facts.
Then study when Islam evolved and its tenets.
Islam is not a comparative religion.
It does encourage its followers to substitute worship to a person other than God and treat those who do worship God as enemies. It is a false religion.
A humanist perspective which attempts to judge God by placing man first before God is also a false system of worship.
The only Muslims who don’t try to kill those who aren’t Muslims are those Muslims who haven’t really studied the Koran and those who merely pretend to be Muslim to avoid adversity from other Muslims.
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