Posted on 12/01/2015 11:15:10 AM PST by C19fan
The Indian media is claiming that one of New Delhi’s Russian-built Kilo-class diesel-electric attack submarines managed to “sink†a nuclear-powered U.S. Navy Los Angeles-class attack submarine during exercises in October.
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Sounds unlikely, unless it was just “given” to them... for whatever reason...
Then again, with our military now being an engine for social change rather than an organization for the actual defense of America, can we afford to be so smug?
After reading the article, the big question is how did they record the US boat’s powerplant noises so they would know what to look for? Sounds to me like the LA class was giving off exaggerated noise, and gave that noise to the Indians, as a tracking exercise.
LA class is from the early 70s. It is why we have been replacing them with the Virginia Class for years. Over a third of those have already been retired.
I know zero about boats, but I know a lot about war games.
It’s all about the rules and the missions.
You can set up scenarios where F4s wing against F22s.
Sometimes this is about learning. Often it is about making a less powerful country feel good about itself.
Possible, but they’re just-make believe, political, ally friendly war exercises. In a real time situation, let’s see this happen which I doubt. This like having a 1998 Honda Civic beating a porsche 911 carrera GT lol
Sorry folks, but a diesel on its battery is very quiet and very dangerous. That is why we need anti-submarine warfare aircraft. This is not unexpected.
Wait a minute I need to check with DOD. I am on hold with DOD support staff menber Rajeesh right now.
While thats true, what are the real world scenarios where a US nuke sub would end up in a position to lose to a kilo?
Kilos aren’t exactly deep water boats. Probably means the 688 came into the shallows and onto the Kilo’s turf.
Which does happen for intel and spec ops stuff. But not in a scenario like an exercise where the Kilo certainly knew the general area where the 688 was operating.
So I wouldn’t read too much into this. The kill was either a result of restrictive exercise parameters, or a lucky golden bb shot (which do happen ...)
There can even be strategy in that. (wink)
The military has been known to tank these exercises around budget time. During Cope India a few years back our F-15’s appeared to get schwacked by IAF Sukhois. ThE USAF brass was at the time trying to persuade Congress that we shouldn’t cut the F22 production line. We lost. Congress cut the budget anyway.
India is very formidable in the air & on the water.
This was an exercise for training and coordination with a friendly power, and it is entirely dependent on the parameters of this exercise for those purposes. It does not reflect the outcome of an engagement of similar boats in a real world combat scenario.
“Kill” = got within range to launch a torpedo. That’s different from a kill.
No way squinty-eyed little yellow men flying toy planes could TOUCH one of our mighty battleships. No way a bunch of illiterate goat humpers could bomb New York City and kill 3000 people.
Our "invulnerable" Navy is short ships, short men, and VERY short replacement shipbuilding capacity.
Why would antisubmarine aircraft do better than a submarine?
Exactly. If the mission was set up such that the Kilo didn’t need to run on diesel during the engagement window, he’s potentially got an advantage.
To get some idea of how quiet a diesel-electric boat is when operating on batteries, go out to your garage, open your car’s hood, and listen to the battery.
The best new subs out there are the diesels being manufactured in Europe. Very, very quiet.
They got lucky this time. But it should be a wake up call for the USN—we need some new electric boats! Next time, we face Russian Boats they might be full of Russians and they can be very good—that or Germans.
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