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Police: Pastor Shoots, Kills Man Inside Church In Detroit
Clickondetroit.com ^ | Oct 18 2015 | Local 4 - ClickOnDetroit news staff

Posted on 10/19/2015 4:48:10 AM PDT by cripplecreek

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To: cripplecreek

“Can I get an “Amen” brothers and sisters.”

Amen.


21 posted on 10/19/2015 5:13:47 AM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: dangus
The perp had mental problems (obviously), was well known to the pastor, and had a blunt object in his hand as he threatened congregants during a church service.

No one, other than the perp was hurt. A good shoot from a pastor who probably does put in some range time.

22 posted on 10/19/2015 5:14:59 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian
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To: V_TWIN

In Fla. the statute states in part: presumption of fear of death OR “great bodily harm”.

Although I do not know the Michigan law I’d say a brick does qualify as fear of great bodily harm.


23 posted on 10/19/2015 5:15:34 AM PDT by V_TWIN
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To: cripplecreek

Got to love a Preacher who defends his flock!


24 posted on 10/19/2015 5:15:52 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal
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To: V_TWIN

Michigan is pretty much the same as Florida in respect to standing your ground and you can use deadly force to protect yourself or others.


25 posted on 10/19/2015 5:17:11 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall.)
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To: DH

Soon they will make even bigger boards with bigger nails.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IDnjphSq9Sg


26 posted on 10/19/2015 5:17:23 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal
Great thread about this from a while back.

More African-Americans Support Carrying Legal Guns For Self-Defense
27 posted on 10/19/2015 5:18:43 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall.)
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To: dangus

You ever been bashed in the head with a brick?


28 posted on 10/19/2015 5:18:56 AM PDT by jstaff
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To: dangus

I don’t. My church has a lot of small kids in it. Some of them are my kids. A grown man with a brick could make quick work on them before anyone could stop him.


29 posted on 10/19/2015 5:20:00 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: cripplecreek

Thanks for the info cripplecreek. Well then, looks like an open and shut case. The Rev sounds like a true Sheppard of his flock. Been considering CCW at my Church, I think I’ll go ahead and do so from now on.


30 posted on 10/19/2015 5:20:04 AM PDT by V_TWIN
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To: cripplecreek

Thou hath been delivered.....amen.


31 posted on 10/19/2015 5:20:36 AM PDT by showme_the_Glory ((ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government))
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To: showme_the_Glory

Remember the Show Hank Hill loved. “The Monsignor”

“Vaya Con Dios”


32 posted on 10/19/2015 5:21:42 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall.)
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To: dangus

Maybe the fellow with the brick demanded to speak directly with the manager. Now he has that chance.


33 posted on 10/19/2015 5:25:46 AM PDT by katana (Just my opinions)
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To: dangus

Overkill? Absolutely not. The Pastor is the shepherd of his flock and is responsible for their safety from harm. How many able bodied men are in church services these days in proportion to women, children and elderly? I would guess for every strong man there are 10 congregants that need protection.


34 posted on 10/19/2015 5:27:32 AM PDT by DocRock (All they that TAKE the sword shall perish with the sword. Matthew 26:52 Gun grabbers beware.)
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To: cripplecreek

Or “The Bishop”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDnE-5lD7w8

“We was too late!”


35 posted on 10/19/2015 5:27:38 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: cripplecreek
Hallelujah!
36 posted on 10/19/2015 5:27:47 AM PDT by Gamecock (Preach the gospel daily, use words if necessary is like saying Feed the hungry use food if necessary)
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To: dangus

Only that it took four or five shots to stop the perp.


37 posted on 10/19/2015 5:27:54 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: cripplecreek

Expect more and more of this. I feel for any Muslims that come through our doors yelling allah, allah, allah ackbar looking for trouble. Our pastor and half the congregation are packing. We also have weapons secreted throughout the building. Prior to the Muslim President we never did this type of thing...


38 posted on 10/19/2015 5:29:45 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: cripplecreek

UP here in the UP of MI, many churches regardless of denomination have meet recently and many have asked parishioners whom have the appropriate permits to carry a firearm to do so. there has even been a classification of words to used from the pulpit that will activate those whom are armed to go into action. It is a plan of action in the three parishes that I serve in and a number of other churches that I am familiar with.

Look at your church during the sermon, worship, and prayer, - everyone is facing forward looking at the front of the church sanctuary. The main door as behind everyone, and the church doors are open (unlocked). The Pastor is there in the front and sees whom walks in. Worst case scenario a bloodbath would ensue. Best case at least strive to take out the perpetrator or perpetrators.

Generally a church is a soft target - large gathering of like minded individuals, with a unlocked door, and a limited means to see whom enters. A pew cannot protect a parishioner from a bullet.

In this case I strongly believe the pastor was warranted to shoot the man


39 posted on 10/19/2015 5:30:44 AM PDT by hondact200 (politicians and diapers are similiar. They both have to be changed often for the very same reason)
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> Please understand that I am NOT challenging the pastor’s LEGAL rights, in any way suggesting that his actions were criminal. But bad-assery aside, does anyone think that this may have been overkill?

considering that he may have been standing near church family members and the fact that ot takes a mere second to smash someone's skull in, NO. Better to remove one threat than to have several dead bodies because you failed to act.

40 posted on 10/19/2015 5:32:20 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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