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Evolution: Will the Dinosaur Paradigm Be Next to Fall?
CEH ^ | 09/30/2015

Posted on 09/30/2015 8:54:13 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Cold dinosaur” fossils have paleontologists questioning everything they thought they knew about dinosaur physiology. What else is up for grabs?

How did dinosaurs survive far north in Alaska? That’s what researchers are asking about dinosaur bones excavated along the Colville River. The 30-foot hadrosaur is the northernmost dinosaur skeleton discovered so far. Science Daily quotes one of the researchers:

The finding of dinosaurs this far north challenges everything we thought about a dinosaur’s physiology,” said FSU Professor of Biological Science Greg Erickson. “It creates this natural question. How did they survive up here?

The Prince Creek Formation is said to be 69 million years old. Even though it lived in a “Lost World” with a more temperate climate than now, the beast likely “endured months of winter darkness and probably experienced snow.”

Even more intriguing is the way they apparently died.

The majority of the bones of the Ugrunaaluk kuukpikensis were collected from a single layer of rock called the Liscomb Bonebed. The layer, about 2 to 3 feet thick, contains thousands of bones of primarily this one species of dinosaur.

In this particular area, most of the skeletons were from younger or juvenile dinosaurs, about 9 feet long and three feet tall at the hip.

Researchers believe a herd of juveniles was killed suddenly to create this deposit of remains.

The species was named in honor of local native tribes. The article also points out that “there are at least 13 different species of dinosaur present based on teeth and other remains, plus birds, small mammals and some fish.” That’s quite a menagerie to be compacted into a layer a yard thick or less. Reports of unfossilized dinosaur bones have come from the Colville River area (10/31/07), as well as long trackways (9/21/13).

Origin Dilemma Down Under

A species of dinosaur found in Australia had claws as long as kitchen knives, Science Daily also reported recently. The claws, 10 inches long (25 cm), won this species of megaraptorid the nickname “lightning claw.” A subsection of the article is subtitled, “origin dilemma”—

Researchers have found other remains of megaraptorids in South America and Australia.

However, they are unsure where megaraptorids sit in the theropod family tree. Some researchers suspect the group belongs to the tyrannosaur branch (the dinosaurs that evolved into birds), and others say it’s more closely related to primitive theropods, such as Allosaurus and Carcharodontosaurus, the researchers said.

The authors didn’t use lightning claw to help solve the mystery because “there’s only so much you can answer at one time,” Bell said. “The issue of where megaraptorids sit in the great family tree of theropoda is a much bigger problem than trying to identify a single species, for example.”

Other megaraptorid bones are found in Argentina. Did the dinosaur originate there, or in Australia? They don’t know. They liken the bones to one tile in a “large mosaic of our knowledge of the history of life on earth.” But in putting together a mosaic, one has to know in advance the overall picture.

A Pre-Reptile?

Another curious fossil is a pareiasaur skeleton from Niger. Science Daily calls it a “pre-reptile” as large as a cow, with spines running along its back. Evolutionary paleontologists say it is 260 million years old. Unlike other pareiasaurs, this one gives indication its legs moved under its body, like dinosaurs, rather than splaying out to the side like lizards and other reptiles. This provided fodder for a just-so story:

Way back when, Niger was an arid place (like some of it is today) where plants and water sources might well have been few and far between. Scientists have associated walking upright on all fours with a more energy efficient posture than sprawling. For the long journeys between meals, Turner said, the upright posture might have been necessary for survival.

This story is problematic on several levels. Saying that something is necessary for survival does not account for chance mutations that would have to occur and be naturally selected to reorganize all the joints, muscles and nerves (and associated behaviors) to allow this creature to move more efficiently. It also begs the question of why lizards still survive so well in arid places today. They scamper along pretty fast in deserts and in a wide variety of habitats.

Other facts about this creature cause problems for evolutionary theory: namely, sudden appearance and convergent evolution—

The significance of such an early example of the upright posture is that Bunostegos dates very far back on the evolutionary tree, pushing back the clock on when this posture shows up in evolution.

But Turner said she wouldn’t be surprised if other animals of the time are eventually also found to have similarities to this posture, which evolved independently in reptiles and mammals several times over the eras.

Turner switches instantly between confidence and ignorance. In one breath she says the evolution of locomotion is a “gradient of forms” In the next breath she says, “The anatomy of Bunostegos is unexpected, illuminating, and tells us we still have much to learn.

Could that “much to learn” include an unexpected turn back toward creation? Could it include dramatic redating of this creature into more recent times? The paleontological community has been strangely silent about the soft tissues found in dinosaur bones this past June (6/10/15) and other ancient tissue remains that are revolutionizing historical science (8/12/15).

Original Biomaterial Again

Speaking of soft tissue, another report confirms that original biological material has been found, this time “the reddish brown color of two extinct species of bat from fossils dating back about 50 million years, marking the first time the colors of extinct mammals have been described through fossil analysis” (Science Daily). But then the article says that “The techniques can be used to determine color from well-preserved animal fossils that are up to 300 million years old,” specifically from melanosomes, the cell bodies that contain melanin. Many examples are now known.

We have now studied the tissues from fish, frogs, and tadpoles, hair from mammals, feathers from birds, and ink from octopus and squids,” said Caitlin Colleary, a doctoral student of geosciences in the College of Science at Virginia Tech and lead author of the study. “They all preserve melanin, so it’s safe to say that melanin is really all over the place in the fossil record. Now we can confidently fill in some of the original color patterns of these ancient animals.”

The research team that established these to be genuine melanosomes included Roger Summons of MIT. He was also “part of a research team that studied fossils of squid to show that ink from the Jurassic period was chemically indistinguishable from modern cuttlefish ink” (see 5/21/12). That calls to mind the story 13 years ago when British scientists found the ink sac of a fossil squid, with ink still in it so soft the scientists used it to draw a picture of a squid (8/20/02).

Individual tiles can often fit into very different large mosaics. These stories show potential for radically changing the dinosaur mosaic of slow and gradual evolution over millions of years. So far, the researchers are still trying to piece these tiles into the old Darwinian mosaic.

The Evolutionary Web of Belief has taken so many blows lately, if it were like any other scientific theory it should have stretched beyond the breaking point. But evolutionists lubricate its strands with Darwin Flubber to keep it from snapping. Darwin Flubber is a magical elastic substance made of a secret blend of Emergence, Convergence and Submergence. Emergence allows creatures to arise further back in time than previously thought by supplying googols of beneficial mutations on demand. Convergence allows the web to reshape itself with new connections when similar fossils appear out of order. And Submergence is a cloaking substance that allows the keepers of the web to hide vulnerable parts of the web from the public.

There is one blow the Evolutionary Web of Belief cannot stand, and that is young ages. If dinosaur soft tissue cannot be millions of years old, the web melts over its lubricators, catching them in their own trap.



TOPICS: History; Science
KEYWORDS: belongsinreligion; dinosaur; evolution; id; intelligentdesign; notasciencetopic
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1 posted on 09/30/2015 8:54:13 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

“It creates this natural question. How did they survive up here?”

Maybe because it used to be warm in what is now Alaska, global warming aside of course.


2 posted on 09/30/2015 8:58:07 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: SeekAndFind

Last I heard dinosaurs are basically birds.

Birds are hot blooded.


3 posted on 09/30/2015 8:59:40 AM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (RINOS like Romney, McCain, Christie are sure losers. No more!)
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To: SeekAndFind

I thought the peripatetic continents explained all that.


4 posted on 09/30/2015 9:00:25 AM PDT by arthurus (It's true.)
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To: Resolute Conservative

That and the idea of warm blooded dinosaurs has been accepted theory for at least 3 decades.

Plenty of birds around my place in the winter.


5 posted on 09/30/2015 9:00:54 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall.)
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To: SeekAndFind

got lost on a road trip? should have taken that left turn at albequerque


6 posted on 09/30/2015 9:01:32 AM PDT by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: SeekAndFind

Young Earth.


7 posted on 09/30/2015 9:02:51 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son...)
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To: SeekAndFind

Axis tilt? Millions of years to move, maybe the poles were at a different location. Certainly there must be someone who was around at that time to tell us about it. :>)


8 posted on 09/30/2015 9:04:35 AM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (In the words of Oliver Hardy; "Another fine mess you have gotten us into.")
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To: SeekAndFind
I have always thought that the "fossil fuel" theory was ridiculous. All of that material so deep in the ground could not be dinosaur goo. The abiotic theories make much more sense.

Biotic or Abiotic?

9 posted on 09/30/2015 9:04:54 AM PDT by GingisK
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To: SeekAndFind
How did they survive up here?”

Electric Blankets? Wife sharing? Both!

10 posted on 09/30/2015 9:06:08 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: SeekAndFind

They all excited about the big bones they found....but need to take a close look at the plant fragments also...seeds..etc...no doubt will show warm weather plants.


11 posted on 09/30/2015 9:06:40 AM PDT by spokeshave (Trump stuck it to the msm, made the cameras pan around the crowd..."pan ALL the way around")
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To: SeekAndFind

I think adaptation and intelligence are matters of semantics.


12 posted on 09/30/2015 9:09:06 AM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall no)
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To: Resolute Conservative

Indeed— the area which is Alaska today was once equatorial during the time of an equator at a different position. These “scientists” must be as dumb as a sack of rocks.

The Earth’s magnetic poles and axis was different as well. What octomaroons.


13 posted on 09/30/2015 9:11:42 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

And vice versa, Birds are basically Dinosaurs. Hollow boned, warm blooded, and covered in insulating feathers. If the planet was about ten degrees warmer with CO2 levels several times higher than now (in that order, by the way, Mr. Gore) they could still be growing to gargantuan size.


14 posted on 09/30/2015 9:21:53 AM PDT by katana (Just my opinions)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

Did somebody say hot blooded???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reDDyuEbkLM


15 posted on 09/30/2015 9:26:34 AM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Beware the Wisconsin Weasel - GOPe Plan B)
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To: GingisK

It is hard to attribute those methane lakes on Titan and the hydrocarbon rich atmospheres of Jupiter and Saturn on dinosaur remains.


16 posted on 09/30/2015 9:29:14 AM PDT by katana (Just my opinions)
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To: SeekAndFind

If I read the article on the color of fossil animals correctly, the shape of melanin fossils correlates with the shapes found in living animals. This covers the colors from black to brown to white or light red. So you are still dealing with fossil remains.


17 posted on 09/30/2015 9:31:26 AM PDT by JimSEA
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To: SeekAndFind

Umm, probably the same way tropical plants survived at northern latitudes way back when?????

Friggin idiot pop sci writers.


18 posted on 09/30/2015 9:36:00 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: katana
It is hard to attribute those methane lakes on Titan and the hydrocarbon rich atmospheres of Jupiter and Saturn on dinosaur remains.

Don't worry, we'll find a way.

/evolutionist

19 posted on 09/30/2015 9:36:26 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (It's time to repeal and replace the GOP)
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To: TheThirdRuffian
FYI: Discovery Raises New Doubts About Dinosaur-bird Links:
"Frankly, there's a lot of museum politics involved in this, a lot of careers committed to a particular point of view even if new scientific evidence raises questions," Ruben said. In some museum displays, he said, the birds-descended-from-dinosaurs evolutionary theory has been portrayed as a largely accepted fact, with an asterisk pointing out in small type that "some scientists disagree."

20 posted on 09/30/2015 9:36:54 AM PDT by Heartlander (Prediction: Increasingly, logic will be seen as a covert form of theism. - Denyse OÂ’Leary)
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