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So my question, again, is whether Romney actually campaigned for self-deportation in the Fall of 2012, because if he did, I don't remember hearing about it - yet it still (supposedly) killed off his Hispanic support?
1 posted on 08/22/2015 7:34:24 AM PDT by BobL
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Mr. Romneycare’s wife should have run in his place.

She is/was tougher, clearer, and more honest
than he ever was.
And unlike him, she did not pass and impose
RomneyCARE/ObamaCARE and gay marriage by his whim.


2 posted on 08/22/2015 7:39:13 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("When a crime is unpunished, the world is unbalanced.")
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(2012) Donald Trump Calls 'Self-Deportation' Idea 'Maniacal'


3 posted on 08/22/2015 7:42:27 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall.)
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He did - often using the term “turning off the magnet” - the mechanism being to penalize companies that would hire non-citizens.


4 posted on 08/22/2015 7:43:32 AM PDT by vrwconspiracist (The Tax Man cometh)
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Romney through that out there during the primary. Its a ‘wonkish’ word that contributed to his image of being ‘stiff’ in my opinion. But, should our immigration laws actually be followed as intended (No work, school, or benefits without citizenship that is provable), illegal aliens would have no choice, but to head back home....or self deport.

Think about it. If you moved to say , Japan, and tried to find work, enroll your kids in school, or apply for welfare, the Japanese government would ask for proof of citizenship. When you could not come up with the proof, they would send you packing. In time, you would head back home because there was nothing there for you.

I’m a big Donald Trump guy, but I do think it would be smarter of he just emphasized enforcing and/or reforming existing laws to better help America. If we made e-verify mandatory (with harsh penalties on employers for breaking the law-as they do in Germany) for employment, benefits, and schooling, anyone here illegally would have to leave because there would be nothing here for them. Or, as Romney would say, “They would simply self deport.”

‘Deporting people’ implies a meanness. ‘Enforcing laws’ implies a ‘fairness’. Of course, people here illegally should be deported, but sometimes in subtlety, you’ll find the art of winning the argument.


5 posted on 08/22/2015 7:46:59 AM PDT by Mustangman (The GOP)
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Actually self deportation was not such a bad idea, to start with. If we didn’t give illegals benefits, they wouldn’t come or stay. I don’t believe Romney would have actually enforced it though.


6 posted on 08/22/2015 7:47:36 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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Romney really never did have a chance...He was a governor of Mass. and had romneycare, which some was taken from hillarycare...

He was a politician by then, didn't really have new ideas, was forceful, was like a damp, limp, dishrag by the time it came for him to be outspoken, and hard line...he was to P.C. and didn't want to look bad...

I don't know of any good talk about him in Mass. when he was gov. other than they said he turned the commonwealth from red to black and then made the Utah olympics great...and I was living in PA. at the time and not much good was being said....

7 posted on 08/22/2015 7:49:55 AM PDT by HarleyLady27 ("It's the hard working, tax paying citizens of the United States that are suffering...")
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All we know for sure is people like Obama and Priebus, McConnell and Boehner, Roberts, Pelosi and the US Chamber of Commerce etal want to make life so horrible for real citizens that such citizens finally try to get as far away as possible.


8 posted on 08/22/2015 7:50:20 AM PDT by stevem
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Many of the Hispanics are very selfish and have the socialist mentality of “Come and get it” regarding our social programs.

Those that do work for a living and pay some taxes still don’t want the personal responsibility of paying for their own families needs and want their parents here on SS or welfare, they become citizens and are smart and jump on disability to make more and they want our society to pay for all their extra family to come over.

We are a gravy train and why would anyone ever vote themselves off a gravy train, especially when they can walk across the border without dealing with the USA later much richer and with SS checks to live more like Kings compared to other Hispanics who never came here?


10 posted on 08/22/2015 7:54:51 AM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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Self deportation is a historical reality. Of the 2+ Million Mexicans that were repatriated during operation Wetback, almost half self deported. Arizona’s SB1070 resulted in a mass exodus of Illegals, although most went to more favorable states. After 9/11 when New York law enforcement began scrutinizing “immigrants” from Islamic countries, Canada saw long lines of those self-deportees at the border.

Self-deporting Illegals is a bonus from enforcement, not really a plan.


15 posted on 08/22/2015 8:16:51 AM PDT by moehoward
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The IRS audits only a tiny fraction of all tax returns. But this serves as a deterrent for the other 99% to not cheat .

Same with immigration enforcement.

22 posted on 08/22/2015 8:25:07 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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The premise of your question is irreverent.

The question should be is it a good policy and the answer is YES.

When Romney backed off like a coward and exposed his backside to the thespians in the media. They knew they had him beat just like with the 48% comment.

Rather than dubbing down like Trump would, Romney dubbed over and exposed his lack of testosterone. No one likes a wimp especially Hispanics.

23 posted on 08/22/2015 8:33:59 AM PDT by usurper (Liberals GET OFF MY LAWN)
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Romney's problem was that even if he said he would take a conservative action, nobody believed him. His record said that he would govern as a liberal.

Making life difficult for illegal immigrants by denying benefits that they don't qualify for as an incentive to return to their native country is a good idea. I have zero confidence that Romney would have implemented any reasonable policies and procedures to accomplish it, however.

24 posted on 08/22/2015 8:35:36 AM PDT by CommerceComet (Ignore the GOP-e. Cruz to victory in 2016.)
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Can’t answer your specific question. However, self-deportatioin is the only real way to lessen the illegal population. This would be done by raiding and locking up employers that hire the illegals. ALL of them to actual prison terms. And sealing the border and getting serious about deporting, of course.


25 posted on 08/22/2015 8:37:40 AM PDT by citizen (America is-or was-The Great Melting Pot. JEB won't even speak American in his own home. NO Bush!!)
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Romney was right about this. If you cut off all benefits to illegals (so they can’t take advantage of teh welfare state) and make hiring them a jailable offense (so for all practical purposes they can’t get jobs), there is no reason to come or to stay — and many of them would likely just go home.

That is something that should be part of any immigration reform.


31 posted on 08/22/2015 9:55:50 AM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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It's not about Hispanic voters, it's about women.

Women voters in 2012:
56% to 44% (12 points) for Obama

Men voters in 2012
54% to 46% (8 points) for Romney

That makes a total 20-point gender gap.

34 posted on 08/22/2015 12:57:56 PM PDT by donna (Pray for Revival.)
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