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It's my belief that there has been a 100 plus years of efforts among the evolutionists, Scientists and any number of new age religions and educators to convince people that they have NO FREE WILL.

I have questions for the Calvinist that would suggest that GOD has a plan for me?

I and we can clearly screw up those plans.

Moreover, the idea that more and more people think we are the product of matter and motion, and as a result their actions are to be accepted as "out of their control", inevitable, preordained and therefore beyond judgement.

I'm confident that most Conservatives reject the "Matrix".

My concern is that we are seeing a growing number of people that not only fail to consider these concepts, but are happy in their acceptance of indifference.

1 posted on 07/18/2015 11:38:12 AM PDT by Zeneta
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http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20130924-how-belief-in-free-will-shapes-us


2 posted on 07/18/2015 11:39:04 AM PDT by Zeneta (Thoughts in time and out of season.)
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No free will = no responsibility for our actions. . .meaning we had no choice, we were destined to act/say the things we do. Basic liberal argument to excuse evil.
3 posted on 07/18/2015 11:47:58 AM PDT by Hulka
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Leftists think they are above God, and they do not approve of free will for others.

5 posted on 07/18/2015 11:54:18 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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“And the results are striking. One study reported that participants who had their belief in free will diminished were more likely to cheat in a maths test. In another, US psychologists reported that people who read Crick’s thoughts on free will said they were less likely to help others.”

This article says nothing about whether the people testing believed in God. I bet that there wouldn’t be much change if people believed that a god was watching them. So there’s more variables to consider.


7 posted on 07/18/2015 11:57:48 AM PDT by aquila48
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I have questions for the Calvinist that would suggest that GOD has a plan for me?

Sorry if I seem obtuse, but what is your question? I am a Calvinist on call but I do not understand what you are asking or objecting to.

10 posted on 07/18/2015 12:04:59 PM PDT by DaveyB (Live free or die!)
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Personally I reject the strict interpretation of classic physics that suggests that every thought and action is the only possible result of what preceded it all the way back to the beginning of existence. I also reject the theory that life is the product of the physical world. Quantum physics suggests that the opposite may be true: the physical world is a product of our thought. Einstein rejected that idea, saying: “I like to think that the moon is there even if I am not looking at it”
The Aspect Experiment based on Bells Inequality Theorem supports the idea that the physical world IS the product of our thought. Unfortunately, some people misinterpret this to believe that merely thinking about something can cause it to manifest into our reality. To them I say, merely thinking about the moon does not bring it into our existence. You have to take the action of actually looking at it. In other words, you can’t make the world a better place by merely thinking good thoughts, you have to take action.


16 posted on 07/18/2015 1:04:36 PM PDT by JoeRed
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We have free will.


22 posted on 07/18/2015 1:39:29 PM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible. Complicit in the destruction of this country)
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“We know the will is free, and there’s an end on it.” — Samuel Johnson


24 posted on 07/18/2015 2:30:10 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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[T]here has been a 100 plus years of efforts among the evolutionists, Scientists and any number of new age religions and educators to convince people that they have NO FREE WILL.

I believe you have that completely backwards. Free will is a very cornerstone.

25 posted on 07/18/2015 2:31:22 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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“Life is a mirror and will reflect back to the thinker what he thinks into it.” — Ernest Holmes


27 posted on 07/18/2015 2:36:11 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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“To suppose that the Creative Intelligence of the Universe would create man in bondage and leave him bound, would be to suppose an impossibility.” — Ernest Holmes

“Man is bound because he is first free.” — Ernest Holmes


28 posted on 07/18/2015 2:37:47 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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No free will.no sin.


29 posted on 07/18/2015 2:40:39 PM PDT by WriteOn (Truth)
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The issue is simple: we all make choices, but could those choices be made otherwise? From a religious perspective it might seem as if a divine being knows all, including knowing in advance what you will choose (so your choices could not be otherwise). Or we can take a physics-based perspective. Everything in the universe has physical causes, and as you are part of the universe, your choices must be caused (so your choices could not be otherwise). In either case, our experience of choosing collides with our faith in a world which makes sense because things have causes.

Wrong on both religion and physics.

First on religion. God is aware of what free will choices will in fact happen, and also the far more numerous counterfactual free will choices that won't. If I watch somebody do something and see what he does, that does not determine what he does. At that point of time he had a choice. If I could somehow watch him from some vantage outside of time itself, like God does, this would not change. Now if God made the universe with a physics that was deterministic and immune from interference from non material things (say a soul), then indeed you would not have free will...but of course that follows without bringing God into it, if the universe somehow existed without an outside agent and there were no outside agents, and it was fully deterministic...why then determinism would be true and free will false, but that has nothing to do with models that have God or the human soul in them.

Second on physics. Quantum physics strongly implies the material world is NOT deterministic. If you are not very familiar with why check out this short simple cartoon on the quantum slit experiment

30 posted on 07/18/2015 2:46:01 PM PDT by AndyTheBear
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If you have no free will, then you have no free will to decide if there is such thing as free will. The illusion is itself an illusion.

Self-refutation is the death of juvenile philosophies.


37 posted on 07/18/2015 4:12:55 PM PDT by angryoldfatman
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If the calvinists are correct, and we have no way to reject God's will in our lives, then EVERY SINGLE PERSON EVER CREATED is going to Heaven.

Even the Hitlers and Dahmers of the world are doing exactly what God wants them to do--what they were created for. If they are doing exactly what God created them to do, and what God wills, then they are fully within the will of God--on their way to Heaven with the rest of us.

That's just not ascriptural---that is anti-Scriptural.

39 posted on 07/18/2015 4:24:02 PM PDT by ShadowAce (ARE)
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My overtly simple answer to this is;

God gave me a brain/mind. The brain is our reasoning computer. The brain essentially holds the soul because it represents who you are. God has always said the choice in whether to follow him or not was ours to make.
That has to be the definition of Free Will.

As Geddy Lee said:

“Even if you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice!”


40 posted on 07/18/2015 4:42:51 PM PDT by rikkir (Anyone still believe the 8/08 Atlantic cover wasn't 100% accurate?)
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You have freedom to follow God's path for your life. All other plans will fail.

So, free will? Yes, and no.

41 posted on 07/18/2015 4:46:53 PM PDT by Vision (Why does everyone pretend that Obama is mentally well?)
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IMO It’s the media again.
In their perfect world consumers would always buy what’s advertised and keep the media’s money flowing in. And exquisite marketing pretty much makes that true!

As for free will: one has only the choice to do what’s right. But one can choose how much they will learn of “right”. and then act accordingly.


42 posted on 07/18/2015 4:49:01 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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Before arguing about free will, it’s better to build a sound doctrinal vocabulary regarding Volition, the anthropology of man (body, soul, and spirit), discernment of good and evil from faith and sin, and later studies in common and efficacious grace.


45 posted on 07/18/2015 7:48:45 PM PDT by Cvengr ( Adversity in life & death is inevitable; Stress is optional through faith in Christ.)
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It's interesting that the article came out after Thomas Nagel's book Mind and Cosmos and essentially ignores his very serious arguments against materialistic determinism (for the most part more sophisticated and philosophically sound versions of arguments C.S. Lewis gave in more popularly accessible form years earlier).
56 posted on 07/23/2015 8:50:17 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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