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To: Zeneta
No free will = no responsibility for our actions. . .meaning we had no choice, we were destined to act/say the things we do. Basic liberal argument to excuse evil.
3 posted on 07/18/2015 11:47:58 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: Hulka

Basic liberal argument to excuse evil


I see this mindset becoming increasingly more accepted.

And they fall back to “Science” to justify their positions.


4 posted on 07/18/2015 11:52:57 AM PDT by Zeneta (Thoughts in time and out of season.)
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To: Hulka

Of course the fact that they profess to be materialistic determinists does not prevent leftists from wanting to punish people who disagree with them — of course I guess they have no choice in wanting to punish those who disagree with them even though that urge is inconsistent with their professed stance on free will, and didn’t chose to be leftists either.


18 posted on 07/18/2015 1:11:24 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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To: Hulka; Zeneta

“No free will = no responsibility for our actions. . .meaning we had no choice, we were destined to act/say the things we do. Basic liberal argument to excuse evil.”

It doesn’t necessarily follow.

The fact that you may not have free will doesn’t mean you can’t be “encouraged” to behave in a particular or desirable manner.

We are beings that respond to external stimuli. Most of us respond in a similar way to the same stimuli. So a society can impose certain standards of behavior by applying the right stimuli on people that “misbehave”. In most cases it works. Some individuals do not respond as we expect, in fact some we do not know their stimulus-response function. For those we have jails and/or death penalties - ie, we keep them out of circulation. And that’s exactly how our society works.

But that’s not the liberal approach. Liberals want people that don’t respond appropriately (misbehave) to still be in circulation with the general public.


21 posted on 07/18/2015 1:33:49 PM PDT by aquila48
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