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CHURCHILL’S SISTER-IN-LAW URGED HIM NOT TO CONVERT TO ISLAM
Breitbart ^ | December 28, 2014 | Donna Rachel Edmunds

Posted on 12/29/2014 10:30:31 AM PST by C19fan

One of the nation’s best loved countrymen, Winston Churchill is best remembered for his role in overcoming the Nazi threat, and later for denouncing the Soviet regime’s Iron Curtain. But few are aware of his fascination with the orient and his strong admiration for Islam, which even led him to adopting Arab attire in private. Now a newly uncovered letter sent to Churchill by his future sister-in-law has revealed that, such was his obsession, she was moved to urge him not to convert to Islam.

In 1907, Churchill wrote to Lady Litton: “You will think me a pasha [rank of distinction in the Ottoman Empire]. I wish I were.” In the same year, Lady Gwendoline Bertie, who would go on to marry Churchill’s brother Jack wrote to him in order to urge him to rein in his obsession with all things Oriental, saying: “Please don’t become converted to Islam; I have noticed in your disposition a tendency to orientalise [fascination with the Orient and Islam], Pasha-like tendencies, I really have.”

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TOPICS: History; Religion
KEYWORDS: churchill; churchillislam; donnaracheledmunds; islam; ladygwendolinebertie; ladylitton; ottomanempire; pasha; turkey; winstonchurchill
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To: C19fan
Churchill called them “Mohammedans” and, as I recall, thought they built nothing and did nothing. It's also been reported that Charles dresses up as a muzzie behind locked doors. Who knows?
21 posted on 12/29/2014 11:00:11 AM PST by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: Loyalty Binds Me)
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To: C19fan

Perhaps it was more of an interest in arabic culture and not islam, which are two entirely different things. There are plenty of oriental rugs in western homes, but it doesn’t mean the owners have an interest in islam.


22 posted on 12/29/2014 11:00:24 AM PST by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: C19fan
“Please don’t become converted to Islam; I have noticed in your disposition a tendency to orientalise [fascination with the Orient and Islam], Pasha-like tendencies, I really have.”

That is unconvincing. I might (and probably have) written to friends, "Please don't become a Euro-weenie Socialist. I see you are playing hacky-sack and now drive a Fiat. I really have."

In such a line, I am basically saying, don't acept the trappings of teh Euro-weenie socialists, that you might not be mistaken for one . . . NOT That the friend in question was actually contemplating joining the Fabian society or the G.B Shaw Fan Club. I think something like that happened here.

THE MAN LIKED HIS LIQUOR WAY TOO MUCH to be a Mohammadan. He most likely enjoyed plenty of pork based products in his time as well.
23 posted on 12/29/2014 11:03:56 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: C19fan
But few are aware of his fascination with the orient and his strong admiration for Islam, which even led him to adopting Arab attire in private.

Yeah, sure, Churchill's being such an admirer of islam would help explain why obama sent the Churchill bust back to England.

White House admits it did return Winston Churchill bust to Britain

Barack Obama's White House has been forced to admit that it did return a bust of Sir Winston Churchill to British diplomats, after describing such claims as "100 per cent false".

What Joe Wilson said...
24 posted on 12/29/2014 11:05:05 AM PST by GBA (Here in the matrix, life is but a dream...with consequence.)
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To: C19fan

Whoever wrote this is full of shiite.

Here is the text of an 1899 speech by Winston Churchill:

“How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its
votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries, improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.

A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and
refinement, the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

Individual Muslims may show splendid qualities, but the
influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.

No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from
being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient
Rome.”

Sir Winston Churchill; (Source: The River War, first edition, Vol. II, pages 248-50 London)


25 posted on 12/29/2014 11:08:04 AM PST by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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To: C19fan

He was just 30 years old anyway - Churchill didn’t become the Churchill we know and admire today until he was in his 60’s. He was 66 when WW2 started approx.


26 posted on 12/29/2014 11:11:05 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (www.FireKarlRove.com NOW)
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To: WayneS

Go to Breitbart and comment on there.


27 posted on 12/29/2014 11:11:31 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (www.FireKarlRove.com NOW)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

go to source, comment on their comment section. Will help...


28 posted on 12/29/2014 11:11:52 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (www.FireKarlRove.com NOW)
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To: C19fan

I’ve read all the good Churchill bios and this is the first I have ever heard of this crap.


29 posted on 12/29/2014 11:12:47 AM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: RoosterRedux

I’ve read all the good Churchill bios and this is the first I have ever heard of this crap.

Watch for it in the upcoming COMMON CORE history textbooks.


30 posted on 12/29/2014 11:14:53 AM PST by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.)
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To: Cowboy Bob

I’m sure you meant “sowing your wild oats”. Oats tend to crumble when pierced with a sewing needle!


31 posted on 12/29/2014 11:15:57 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: C. Edmund Wright

I can’t believe Breitbart even published this garbage.


32 posted on 12/29/2014 11:16:50 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Cowboy Bob

IMHO that’s “sowing your wild oats” & is usually practiced with a wide circle of women free to make their own choices, not harem slaves subject to a pasha’s whim.

British Orientalism is worthy of separate study as it influenced Britain’s foreign policy all across the Middle East and can explain its sometimes frosty relations with the state of Israel.


33 posted on 12/29/2014 11:17:04 AM PST by elcid1970 ("I am a radicalized infidel.")
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To: Captain Peter Blood

I think Winston didn’t know that building a mosque means Islam has conquered and it is theirs to take over....


34 posted on 12/29/2014 11:17:17 AM PST by YouGoTexasGirl
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To: C19fan

I think the author should become familiar with the British sense of humour next time!


35 posted on 12/29/2014 11:18:08 AM PST by gr8eman (Bill Carson...meet Arch Stanton!)
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To: C19fan

Methinks she was being a wit.


36 posted on 12/29/2014 11:18:25 AM PST by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept? Vive Deo et Vives)
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To: C19fan

Why wouldn’t you use the term oriental? Curious?


37 posted on 12/29/2014 11:21:20 AM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Olog-hai

“Is this the same Donna Rachel Edmunds who is a UKIP councillor for Lewes district in southern England?”
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Yes, that is what her bio at Breitbart says.


38 posted on 12/29/2014 11:21:37 AM PST by House Atreides
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To: C19fan
"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity.

The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities - but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome."

-- Winston Churchill

Somehow I doubt highly that Mr. Churchill gave any serious thought to converting to the barbarism known today as Islam.

39 posted on 12/29/2014 11:24:29 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: Responsibility2nd

not sure what was behind it either.....


40 posted on 12/29/2014 11:34:06 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (www.FireKarlRove.com NOW)
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