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Starship Troopers: One of the Most Misunderstood Movies Ever
The Atlantic ^ | November 7, 2013 | Calum Marsh

Posted on 12/02/2014 7:02:56 AM PST by C19fan

When Paul Verhoeven’s Starship Troopers hit theaters 16 years ago today, most American critics slammed it. In the New York Times, Janet Maslin panned the “crazed, lurid spectacle,” as featuring “raunchiness tailor-made for teen-age boys.” Jeff Vice, in the Deseret News, called it “a nonstop splatterfest so devoid of taste and logic that it makes even the most brainless summer blockbuster look intelligent.” Roger Ebert, who had praised the “pointed social satire” of Verhoeven’s Robocop, found the film “one-dimensional,” a trivial nothing “pitched at 11-year-old science-fiction fans.”

But those critics had missed the point. Starship Troopers is satire, a ruthlessly funny and keenly self-aware sendup of right-wing militarism. The fact that it was and continues to be taken at face value speaks to the very vapidity the movie skewers.

(Excerpt) Read more at theatlantic.com ...


TOPICS: TV/Movies
KEYWORDS: fiction; science; starship; troopers
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To: F15Eagle

If anyone missed that theme is seriously retarded.


21 posted on 12/02/2014 7:21:45 AM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie
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To: AceMineral

I haven’t read it in decades but I remember it as being an interesting serious tome about war and military presence. IIRC I think one of the take-aways I have is that the book proposed voting rights only, or in heavier merit for veterans.


22 posted on 12/02/2014 7:22:19 AM PST by Chickensoup (Leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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To: Captain Peter Blood

Yep.

The movie aims as the above author stated, as a satire, which mostly misses the mark of Robert’s book.

Heinlein’s books, read in the order in which they were authored, shows an incredible range of evolution in the themes he was trying to play with. His fiction is rife with philosophy and investigations into the corners of human interaction.

Doesn’t mean everything he wrote was pure gold, but every bit of it was interesting for what it was...


23 posted on 12/02/2014 7:28:39 AM PST by Dead Corpse (A Psalm in napalm...)
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To: C19fan
The movie is a pale impostor compared to the book. The director completely missed the philosophical point of a society that requires a level of dedication and service to become a citizen. In the book, the government isn't totalitarian militarism, it's a free society with a requirement of service in exchange for the rights of citizenship. Punishment is harsh by our standards, but short and painful, in order to teach. The director completely messed up the society Heinlein envisioned.
24 posted on 12/02/2014 7:30:20 AM PST by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: The_Victor

No kidding.


25 posted on 12/02/2014 7:35:09 AM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: C19fan


Pretty sure no one noticed anything but the young Jewess Dina Meyer and Jewess (by conversion) Denise Richards.
26 posted on 12/02/2014 7:36:45 AM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem)
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To: Captain Peter Blood

Agree with you wholeheartedly. While I enjoyed the movie, it was a silly satire about fascist militarism and a war with a bug planet. — It is a fun visual movie. However, it is a movie which marginalizes some great philosophical ideas the author had on the preservation and protection of freedom-loving republics and the causes of their assorted downfalls.

I finally got around to reading the book fairly recently and it is a very prescient commentary on the self destruction of the various republics and Heinlein (USNA (1907?) graduate). The political/philosophical discussions during the protagonist’s education are very thought provoking. And, there is actually very little discussion of the bug planet.


27 posted on 12/02/2014 7:40:47 AM PST by Bill Russell
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To: C19fan

The book was great but the movie was garbage except for the hot women.


28 posted on 12/02/2014 7:41:58 AM PST by Bayan
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To: C19fan

Dumb movie. Infantry using rifles to go after swarms of oversized insects. The book had them lobbing small nukes. I’d say the book’s parallel with reality was with Iwo Jima’s flamethrowers.


29 posted on 12/02/2014 7:43:25 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Jewbacca

Worst part of the movie, while we get to see a flat Dina Meyers in the co-ed showers, we never get see an amble Denise Richards


30 posted on 12/02/2014 7:49:55 AM PST by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: Jewbacca

Jewess shmooess. Hot chicks by birth.


31 posted on 12/02/2014 7:52:24 AM PST by steve8714 ("Burn it down for Michael Brown??")
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To: C19fan

Maybe some don’t Grok?


32 posted on 12/02/2014 7:52:38 AM PST by isthisnickcool (NO MORE IRS!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Mmmmmmm good cracker


33 posted on 12/02/2014 7:56:08 AM PST by cport (How can political capital be spent on a bunch of ingrates)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

That was my favorite scene....the unisex showers.

Young military men taking showers with beautiful, naked young women.

If the U.S. military allowed men to share the showers with beautiful, young female military recruits, the lines of men at recruiting stations across the country would be a mile long.


34 posted on 12/02/2014 7:58:50 AM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation (Amnesty is Obama's Way of Saying "FU" to all those who voted on November 4th)
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To: C19fan
I love the movie. It's clearly a smirking satire at points (the bug-stomping newsreel), mixed with righteous political pontificating ("Naked force has resolved more conflicts throughout history than any other factor. The contrary opinion, that violence doesn't solve anything, is wishful thinking at its worst; people who forget that always die."), hot chicks, great special effects, fantastic battle scenes. Visually exciting, fun dialog, good characters, action action action. What's not to love?

I knew for a long time that Heinlein fans HATED the movie, so I finally got around to reading it. Here comes the heresy - the movie was much more entertaining than the book. The book was endless pontification with rather mundane battle scenes and weak characters. "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" was a far far better Heinlein book that covered much of the same political ground.

The one thing that has always bothered me about the movie though is the absolutely sub-standard weaponry the humans carried. If you have to shoot something a few hundred times to bring it down, you very obviously need a more powerful weapon. You're in the freaking future, for godsakes! Invent something that stops them in one shot.

35 posted on 12/02/2014 8:02:25 AM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation

Did not misunderstand Paul Verhoeven took the NAME of a great book and made a bad movie.


36 posted on 12/02/2014 8:02:27 AM PST by Bidimus1
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To: Jewbacca

I noticed them alright.


37 posted on 12/02/2014 8:03:22 AM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.d)
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To: steve8714

As a young man, even my fantasies were kosher.


38 posted on 12/02/2014 8:06:04 AM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem)
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation

I can only say that Johnny Rico
Chose the wrong girl. The movie was a huge disapointment to those who had read the book.


39 posted on 12/02/2014 8:09:40 AM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: C19fan

Still looking for the Bayer Zyklon B ad, too...

40 posted on 12/02/2014 8:12:12 AM PST by W. (If government could truly create jobs communism would have worked the first time it was implemented.)
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