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Millennia-old sunken ship could be world’s oldest, researchers suggest
Hürriyet Daily News ^ | Friday, September 5 2014 | Anadolu Agency

Posted on 09/21/2014 11:49:55 AM PDT by SunkenCiv

Underwater excavations led by Ankara University’s Research Center for Maritime Archaeology (ANKÜSAM) have uncovered sunken ships ranging from the second century B.C. to the Ottoman period in İzmir’s Urla district.

A recent excavation uncovered a ship estimated to date back 4,000 years, which experts say would make it the oldest sunken ship to have been discovered in the Mediterranean.

Urla Port is one of Turkey’s rare underwater excavation sites. Professor Hayat Erkanal, the head of Limantepe excavations for the underwater ancient city of Klozemenai and director of ANKÜSAM, said the port dates back to the seventh century B.C. Klozemenai, he explained, was a coastal town, making it the home of many sunken ships from different eras. An earthquake in the eighth century left the city underwater...

“If we confirm that the sunken ship [we have found] is 4,000 years old, it will be a very important milestone for archaeology,” Erkanal said...

Erkanal said that through its discoveries, the team is working to make the sea map of the region. “We’re also working on a project to turn the region, which has a lot of important [information] for world maritime history, into an experimental archaeology center,” he said.

The team will also focus on removing and displaying an Ottoman ship from the site, planning to begin work in the next year. Citing only a few other Ottoman-era shipwrecks that have been discovered in Limantepe, Erkanal said there is a “significant deficiency” in the archaeological record.

“It is unfortunate that we don’t have even one example to show our sea forces that ruled the Mediterranean in the past,” he said.

(Excerpt) Read more at hurriyetdailynews.com ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: anatolia; ancientship; bronzeage; capegelidonya; catastrophism; elidonya; gelidonya; godsgravesglyphs; sunkenship; turkey; uluburun
The port at Urla is one of Turkey’s rare underwater excavation sites. There, experts say, a sunken ship estimated to be 4,000 years old is one of the oldest in the Mediterranean

The port at Urla is one of Turkey’s rare underwater excavation sites. There, experts say, a sunken ship estimated to be 4,000 years old is one of the oldest in the Mediterranean

1 posted on 09/21/2014 11:49:55 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
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2 posted on 09/21/2014 11:50:27 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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This is interesting, because there's actually zero evidence that any such "Proto-Phoenicians" existed. What we have instead is a monstrosity of a pseudochronology. Another one of *those* topics.
History's Top 10 Shipwrecks -- The artifacts convinced original excavator George Bass—known as the father of underwater archaeology—that ancient Mediterranean maritime trade had not been dominated by Mycenaean Greeks. Finds of Greek artifacts at a number of land sites had fostered that view, but Bass believed instead that Near Eastern seafarers, or “proto-Phoenicians,” were more likely to have controlled those ancient trades and seas.

3 posted on 09/21/2014 11:55:31 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

Whole time lines are nothing but theory?

weird


4 posted on 09/21/2014 11:56:11 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: GeronL

There’s a conventional pseudochronology of the Egyptian New Kingdom that conflicts with the facts in the ground, as well as with ancient annals and such.

When a piece of lumber from the Uluburun wreck was radiocarbon dated, the date was saddled on as being definitive proof the reality of the unreal timeline. In no time flat the results were dumped, because it was pointed out (and it was obvious as hell) that the RC date proved the opposite, and that the ship couldn’t have sunk with something that young aboard it.

Not surprisingly, when a gold scarab with the name of Nefertiti was found in the cargo, it had to be NOT used as a means of dating the wreck, but instead was claimed to be some scrap gold (y’know, with the name of the wife of the pharaoh on it, nothin’ to see here) on its way to recycling, and centuries older than the wreck.

The key to conventional dating schemes is to ignore stuff, or to treat stuff as irrelevant.


5 posted on 09/21/2014 12:04:53 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: GeronL

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3206354/posts?page=2#2


6 posted on 09/21/2014 12:17:10 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv
The key to conventional dating schemes is to ignore stuff, or to treat stuff as irrelevant.

interesting

7 posted on 09/21/2014 12:24:09 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: SunkenCiv

That should be Klazomenai (Clazomenae). It used to be an island just off the coast until Alexander the Great connected it to the mainland with a causeway. It was the birthplace of the pre-Socratic philosopher Anaxagoras.


8 posted on 09/21/2014 12:28:52 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: GeronL

“If you torture t data long enough, and hard enough, it will always confess.”


9 posted on 09/21/2014 12:29:28 PM PDT by GladesGuru (Islam Delenda Est. Because of what Islam is - and because of what Muslims do.)
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To: GladesGuru

rofl

that is a great line


10 posted on 09/21/2014 12:33:03 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: SunkenCiv

I’m pretty sure Noah’s Ark has this find beat.


11 posted on 09/21/2014 12:35:27 PM PDT by Rockitz (This is NOT rocket science - Follow the money and you'll find the truth.)
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To: Verginius Rufus
Thanks VR. > Klazomenai is located in modern Urla (Vourla in Greek) on the western coast of Anatolia, on the southern coast of the Gulf of İzmir, at about 20 miles west of İzmir. The city was originally located on the mainland, but probably during the early fifth-century Ionian Revolt from the Persians, it was moved to an island just off the coast, which Alexander the Great eventually connected to the mainland with a causeway. -- https://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Klazomenai.html
12 posted on 09/21/2014 1:02:28 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Rockitz

Since Noah’s Ark has never been found, no.


13 posted on 09/21/2014 1:03:46 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv
Klazomenai gets special mention in the so-called King's Peace or Peace of Antalcidas of 387/6 B.C. The terms as given by Xenophon in his Hellenica 5.1.31 begin: "King Artaxerxes thinks it right that the cities in Asia should belong to him, and of the islands Klazomenai and Cyprus..."

This was King Artaxerxes II.

14 posted on 09/21/2014 1:32:09 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: SunkenCiv

Every ship I have ever sailed on has been scrapped.
There was one sister ship that broke up & sank off the East Coast. Boy did I ever pay for that at the next CG inspection.


15 posted on 09/21/2014 6:40:14 PM PDT by Cold Heart
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To: Cold Heart

Unless they get scrapped or are still in use, they’ve sunk. Imagine, the bottom of the Mediterranean must have thousands of ancient wrecks.


16 posted on 09/22/2014 4:18:17 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

That’s quite the image. When you consider how long the Med was crossed by sailing ships, the relative crudeness of the technology and the fact storms could not be predicted, there has to be a vast fleet of undiscovered wrecks.


17 posted on 09/24/2014 5:17:27 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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