Posted on 08/01/2014 1:47:03 PM PDT by MNDude
I have a theological question that I have not heard asked before.
As we know, God gave his only Son to suffer and to die for our sins. As we can imagine, a parent seeing their son suffer must be the hardest thing possible, and the Father must have grieved greatly to see His Son suffer.
My question is, did the death itself of His son cause the Father to grieve as well?
I mean, when we humans lose a loved one, one of the biggest reasons is that this person is removed from Point A (where we are) to Point B (where we are not).
In the case of Christ, would it not be the opposite? Christ would go from Point A (not in the Father's presence)to Point B (in the Father's presence).
What are your thoughts?
This is what leapt to mind after reading MNDude's post. While there is some variance in how Christian perceive what inevitably involves the interface between the Creator and the crown of His creation in taking upon Himself our nature in Christ Jesus to be crucified, dead, buried and risen as our Substitute, the subject is most salutary, and one that the Creator earnestly desires to reveal and make known by His Word and Spirit to all flesh, even those who enter into labor at the last minute of the last hour; who will enter the kingdom ahead of me as they ought.
BUMP
What did they decide?
You’ll have to ask him. I thought it was an original question.
If Jesus is G-d, then how can he die? G-d cannot die. (He cannot be born either.)
What? G-d sacrificed himself?
Human sacrifice is utterly abhorrent to G-d. It is a SIN.
Why would He change His mind on the matter?
he way I see it, the real grief came from the first-time-ever separation between God the Father and God the Son due to Jesus taking on sin for the first time. On the cross, He cried out, asking why His Father had forsaken Him. Sin separates us from the Father and Jesus had just experienced sin at a really extreme level - all sins, past/present/future - talk about a giant crowbar rending them apart. Caused them both more grief than ever before and probably ever again.
He sacrificed himself to pay the penalty we had coming for our rebellion.
G-d cannot die. It is illogical.
And yet Jesus did.
Jesus=God.
so are you rejecting the human nature of Christ?
Christ was FULLY God and FULLY man.
So the man (human nature of God) can understandably die, while the Divine nature of God cannot.
Ad Majoram Dei Gloriam
I am rejecting him completely. NO human can be G-d in the flesh. It is heretical and blasphemous to say that a man can be G-d.
What is heretical and blasphemous about it?
When God becomes Man, he does not shed His divine nature. He can't, since He is eternally God; eternally One, Good, True, Beautiful and Being Itself.
However, logically, He can take on another nature. After all, he created humans and human nature.
Perhaps it is the ‘fully God’ part that is troubling to the poster. The Scriptures say He emptied himself, becoming a little lower than the Angels to take upon His Spirit the flesh of man.
That mystified me as well. Apparently, Jesus was referencing Psalm 21, which is prophetic of His death, and which actually ends on a triumphant note (verses 25 on).
1 My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?
Why are you so far from saving me,
so far from my cries of anguish?
2 My God, I cry out by day, but you do not answer,
by night, but I find no rest.
3 Yet you are enthroned as the Holy One;
you are the one Israel praises.
4 In you our ancestors put their trust;
they trusted and you delivered them.
5 To you they cried out and were saved;
in you they trusted and were not put to shame.
6 But I am a worm and not a man,
scorned by everyone, despised by the people.
7 All who see me mock me;
they hurl insults, shaking their heads.
8 “He trusts in the Lord,” they say,
“let the Lord rescue him.
Let him deliver him,
since he delights in him.”
9 Yet you brought me out of the womb;
you made me trust in you, even at my mother’s breast.
10 From birth I was cast on you;
from my mother’s womb you have been my God.
11 Do not be far from me,
for trouble is near
and there is no one to help.
12 Many bulls surround me;
strong bulls of Bashan encircle me.
13 Roaring lions that tear their prey
open their mouths wide against me.
14 I am poured out like water,
and all my bones are out of joint.
My heart has turned to wax;
it has melted within me.
15 My mouth[d] is dried up like a potsherd,
and my tongue sticks to the roof of my mouth;
you lay me in the dust of death.
16 Dogs surround me,
a pack of villains encircles me;
they pierce[e] my hands and my feet.
17 All my bones are on display;
people stare and gloat over me.
18 They divide my clothes among them
and cast lots for my garment.
19 But you, Lord, do not be far from me.
You are my strength; come quickly to help me.
20 Deliver me from the sword,
my precious life from the power of the dogs.
21 Rescue me from the mouth of the lions;
save me from the horns of the wild oxen.
22 I will declare your name to my people;
in the assembly I will praise you.
23 You who fear the Lord, praise him!
All you descendants of Jacob, honor him!
Revere him, all you descendants of Israel!
24 For he has not despised or scorned
the suffering of the afflicted one;
he has not hidden his face from him
but has listened to his cry for help.
25 From you comes the theme of my praise in the great assembly;
before those who fear you I will fulfill my vows.
26 The poor will eat and be satisfied;
those who seek the Lord will praise him—
may your hearts live forever!
27 All the ends of the earth
will remember and turn to the Lord,
and all the families of the nations
will bow down before him,
28 for dominion belongs to the Lord
and he rules over the nations.
29 All the rich of the earth will feast and worship;
all who go down to the dust will kneel before him—
those who cannot keep themselves alive.
30 Posterity will serve him;
future generations will be told about the Lord.
31 They will proclaim his righteousness,
declaring to a people yet unborn:
He has done it!
To complicate things, while God is three Persons, the three Persons each fully possess the single nature of God. This is a deep mystery. But we can know from this fact that where one Person acts, all three act, even though Scripture may speak of one specific Person acting in various passages.
G-d NEVER became a man. He made it very clear numerous times in the OT.
So, where did the game, “three-card monte” come from?
thanks
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