Posted on 01/05/2014 5:27:03 AM PST by BlueStateRightist
She’s doubling down. Amy Chua, the self-proclaimed “Tiger Mom” who, in 2011, published a book arguing that Chinese women are superior mothers — thus their offspring superior children — has even more to say. In “The Triple Package,” Chua and her husband, co-author Jed Rubenfeld, gather some specious stats and anecdotal evidence to argue that some groups are just superior to others and everyone else is contributing to the downfall of America.
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The funny part about Mapua is that in Manila it’s considered rather a Diploma mill. The good schools are the University of the Philippines, the Jesuit Ateneo and LaSalle. Mr Chua overcame more handicaps than you know.
You mean, despite the truth of my statement that anecdotal evidence works, we still shouldn’t believe in anecdotal evidence? My, this is a mixed-up thread today!
You were born with two ears and one mouth, so you mouth has to work twice as fast to keep up.
“You mean, despite the truth of my statement that anecdotal evidence works, we still shouldn’t believe in anecdotal evidence?”
You can ‘believe’ anything you want, but it still is true that anecdotal evidence is not evidence, even if you can claim examples where it appears to offer proof. It borders on superstition.
Whenever I am around Asian children, they are very well behaved, stay by their parents side in stores, don’t run around all hyper, they and their parents seem to be very calm....Whereas, you go to Walmart and all I hear are parents screaming at their kids, leave that alone, no you can’t have it, stop it, come here, get over here now or else...It’s just my observation.
“American culture is more than the garbage on tv or lowlifes playing the knockout game.Out here in the country things have remained largely unchanged.Good people helping each other when needed,very low crime rate.If I need help with a project on the farm,my neighbors will give me a hand.If someone has a problem,I go when called.”
I completely relate. When we had storm damage, we met friends we didn’t even know we had. People came to help. Great people in the country!
prof. chua is definitely superior to the average lib.
So many very smart comments on this site is not surprising.
thank you to all.
Sounds like you have yellow fever. Notice you don’t see me calling for deportation of Germans or Swedes. I prefer to keep my nation Western, thank you.
“In Asia you see the proof of her thesis. In places like Malaysia the Chinese dominate the useful roles in society through sheer superior competence in spite of discrimination against them. They don’t do this by being sweet, they are tough, hard, focused. Get over your annoyance. This emotional reaction to them is a losers response.’
You are right. Members of my family are Chinese from the Philippines. Their parents, similar story. From Fujian south China to Philippines in 20s-30s. Built business, survived Japanese occupation and slaughter. Came to US as well-educated medical professionals and outperformed everyone, including other immigrants. They are tough and tough on children. They also love their children immensely and wouldn’t allow behavior that is common among American children and other immigrant children. Their political views are confused in part because they are too busy working and taking care of family to think about politics and they only know that gov’t is corrupt. That is all they have ever known. If the gov’t promises to give the people some help, that is viewed favorably. Otherwise gov’t is a threat. That is why they can get suckered by Dems. They don’t know much about the other wacky cultural insanity of the Dem party or much care, it seems, because corrupt and gov’t are hand-in-hand in their experience. Just my observations.
Look at Singapore and the Philippines and see who is in the upper tier of society. It is the Chinese minority. And, there is no PC way to explain it.
Flushing, NY (part of Queens) is largely taken over by lower-class money-grubbing Chinese, who turn neighborhoods into crapholes. Their areas of town are filthy, crowded cheek-to-jowl, filled with slap-together constructed houses that will be lucky to last 20 years, sidewalks full of vendors of illegal stuff like baby turtles, hot sheet motels, people handing out sheets on the sidewalks, houses illegally subdivided into apartment for packing in as many bodies as possible, etc. Just like home. Why don’t they go BACK home if all they want to do is crap up ours?
That’s true - they are well behaved in public, and we have a lot to learn in some things.
What I see is academic situations where no matter how hard the kid works, it’s never good enough. A- ?? Not good enough. Assumption seems to be that every grade (from 3rd on) is sent directly to Harvard. Kids’ schedules are booked solid to overload with activities, moms are very anxious and controlling about kids’ performances.
With kids born here to immigrant parents, parenting ‘skills’ include - whacking with coathangers, hitting with bats and sticks, striking kids on the back where it won’t show with some sort of bamboo ‘rake.’ These are high-achievement kids in good schools. “That’s how my dad was raised.”
I have also heard from my son, when he was at the local Junior College - ‘The Asian girls want to date (us) white boys; the Asian boys are so totally controlled by their moms that they don’t want to date them.’
Just some other pieces of the puzzle. I believe that a Christian > Buddhist/ Confucian worldview explains a lot of these differences. And the Lotus Eaters are not usually Christian, perhaps?
The American conservative, struggling for action to preserve and sustain American culture, Constitutionalism, and exceptionalism would do well to consider communicating to Asian immigrants the relationship between individual liberty/Constitutional government and a nation’s success and its people’s happiness.
Share the importance of liberty with Asians. Point out how Chinese economic growth is related to a lack of regulations (it is much less burdensome to start and run a business in China than the US) and the reduction of govt oppression.
Point out how important it is to be able to choose your child’s school. Point out how conservatism is the foundation of the opportunities they seek in the US.
Asians value education and family, and they work very hard. Educate them about conservatism.
“Flushing, NY (part of Queens) is largely taken over by lower-class money-grubbing Chinese, who turn neighborhoods into crapholes. Their areas of town are filthy, crowded cheek-to-jowl, filled with slap-together constructed houses that will be lucky to last 20 years, sidewalks full of vendors of illegal stuff like baby turtles, hot sheet motels, people handing out sheets on the sidewalks, houses illegally subdivided into apartment for packing in as many bodies as possible, etc. Just like home. Why don’t they go BACK home if all they want to do is crap up ours?”
They don’t want to “crap up ours”. They don’t know any different. And they aren’t all lower class. They came to Flushing because that is where their relatives were and they hear there are good paying opportunities there. They have no idea what other places in the US, other than Calif, are like except they think there are rednecks who will attack them. The govt of NYC takes advantage of them. The Chinese don’t know how much better life is elsewhere. A money grubber is just somebody trying to make a living in an expensive place and working hard at it. The Dem politicians that run Queens are corrupt but that is normal to them. Educate them. I go to Flushing often and know the people there. There is opportunity to champion Americanism, but not if those immigrants are pushed into socialist control.
This generation in this place will struggle in every way they know, which isn’t much. Just like the Jews a hundred years ago that lived in NY’s worst ghettos and lived by selling stuff out of pushcarts. I have seen Chinese communities do the same thing. In my lifetime, in Manila, we had Chinese rickshaw pullers and domestic servants. No more.
The kids of those people you so despise will fill the best spots in our universities, and their grandchildren will be your grandchildrens bosses.
I have seen this.
On another thread I brought up the need for “redneck classes” to teach the fun folkways of the real American people. We Asian people need duck-hunting missionaries.
“She left off the black Caribbeans who come to New York City. Smart, savvy, polite, unbelievably hard-working, clean (their cabs are amazing!) and without the notorious chip on the shoulder of your average African American. “
My own personal experience with African Africans in this country are that NONE of them have chips on their shoulders, and of those folks whom I’ve personally met, from airport shuttle bus drivers to bank clerks, they are delightful people.
I had a Nigerian friend in college. I had him on my Facebook Friends list but had to remove him. He is so liberal that I could no longer stomach the idiocy.
I think the operative phrase is "lower-class". The effects of low income, limited education, and the often the values that come with that condition are well known. Regardless of the ethnic or racial composition of the "lower-class" in the neighborhood, similar problems arise.
It is a mistake to assign the cause to the ethnicity of the residents when that is rarely the primary factor.
All of the abuse you cite might work well in China where that is accepted, settled practice. But combine mental and physical abuse with the freedoms these kids see by looking out their window at modern-day America - and you have a recipe for disaster. Not unlike Muslim girls here who want to be free, wear makeup and go to the mall to meet with boys. I’m not saying that it would end up with Chinese honor killings - just a lot of kids who are mixed up and rebellious.
They litter the sidewalks with endless cigarettes, including my dear neighbor. I just sweep all the butts over to his side and onto his porch. Let him look at them. I don't want to. At least we reached a tentative agreement that he and his "son" (I strongly suspect that 20ish kid is an illegal tenant) do not throw their stinking cigarettes into my carefully tended garden, as they used to.
And let's not assume all Chinese students are exemplars. There are plenty of them who are total thugs; I've had a number of those in my classroom. Yes, most Chinese students are a complete delight, but yes, there are plenty of the above-mentioned as well. They are disrespectful, disruptive, etc. Apparently they chose poorly when they picked their role models to emulate as "real Americans". They end up sounding and acting like ghetto black thugs. I have tried to counsel them to choose other role models and honor the proud heritage of their people in achievement. Hey, sometimes it works, but not often enough. I also rescued a partially deaf Chinese girl from an abusive situation by calling down an investigation on her. Her parents had forced her to work as a near-slave in their jewelry factory and I got her out of that situation.
This has been my experience, the data bank from which I draw my opinions. It is not a general bigotry, because I generally do respect the Chinese as a group.
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