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WEEKLY GARDEN THREAD VOLUME 52 DECEMBER 27, 2013
Free Republic | Dec. 27, 2013 | greeneyes

Posted on 12/27/2013 12:25:05 PM PST by greeneyes

The Weekly Gardening Thread is a weekly gathering of folks that love soil, seeds and plants of all kinds. From complete newbies that are looking to start that first potted plant, to gardeners with some acreage, to Master Gardener level and beyond, we would love to hear from you. This thread is non-political, although you will find that most here are conservative folks. No matter what, you won’t be flamed and the only dumb question is the one that isn’t asked. It is impossible to hijack the Weekly Gardening Thread. There is no telling where it will go and... that is part of the fun and interest. Jump in and join us!

NOTE: This is a once a week ping list. We do post to the thread during the week. Links to related articles and discussions which might be of interest are welcomed, so feel free to post them at any time.


TOPICS: Gardening
KEYWORDS: agriculture; food; gardening; hobby
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To: Marcella
That recipe looks traditional (British). I find no glaring errors.

You should find a relish recipe and can that, though instead of canning as pickles and then making relish, if relish is all you want.

I make salsa out of my canned jalapenos because I also use the canned jalapenos sliced with fried chicken, and sometimes other stuff.

/johnny

81 posted on 12/27/2013 5:49:29 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Marcella
My friend from Austin just did a quick drive-by to drop off Christmas food that she wanted me to sample and comment on.

Some of the korean dishes she cooked, she labeled in Korean. She's gonna make me learn to read that... ;)

Sadly, she was on her way elsewhere, and couldn't stay. Obviously, if I'm on FR.

/johnny

82 posted on 12/27/2013 5:55:54 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: bgill

This is a first try for me. Planting time is through March 15th for South Texas, which I’m assuming is because we get so hot, so fast- they must like cooler/ more moderate temps. I don’t have the impression they’re very finicky.

I got my information here

http://www.fanicknursery.com/

and my seeds, here

http://sustainableseedco.com/heirloom-vegetable-seeds/a-ca/artichoke-heirloom-seeds/green-globe-artichoke-seeds.html

I chose Green Globes because they’re recommended for Texas & I’m a newbie...a “For Dummies” type of newbie. They’re supposed to take 80, 85 days to maturity.

My harvest dates have been off, so far; taking longer than they were supposed to take. I am growing in raised beds & containers (3x6, 3x3, 5 gal, & the large tubs with holes drilled in them)- so I don’t know if this is why they’re taking longer. I’m wondering if I’m being too stingy with fertilizer.


83 posted on 12/27/2013 6:24:41 PM PST by KGeorge (Till we're together again, Gypsy girl. May 28, 1998- June 3, 2013)
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To: JRandomFreeper

greeneyes is going to find her relish recipe and put it on here. I’ll use it.


84 posted on 12/27/2013 6:36:05 PM PST by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: JRandomFreeper
Getting the strength of the nicotine right for an e-cigarette would be difficult, and possibly fatal. I had looked into doing that, and I am uncomfortable with that.

A good digital scale and glassware with volume reliably marked would work safely. But that is the kind of thing I have been doing for decades in labs; I have every confidence in being able to make up a solution of a particular strength, even in parts per billion. It's not hard, it just requires basic math and attention to detail.
85 posted on 12/27/2013 6:50:43 PM PST by Nepeta
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To: Nepeta
Extracting the pure alkaloid to start with is my main concern. I'll just get my nicotine the old fashioned way and cure my tobacco leaves and smoke 'em. ;)

/johnny

86 posted on 12/27/2013 6:57:36 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Marcella

My daughter loves ‘lemon cucumbers’. Not sure if they’re pickleable. They don’t last that long at my house. She eats 4 or 5 of them at a sitting. Cold, with salt and vinegar. Pick them when they’re the size of a small lemon.

I usually grow marketmore, straight 8, or one of the bush cucumbers for slicing/eating. Haven’t gotten around to making pickles. IIRC my mother uses the ‘homemade pickles’ variety for her pickles.

The best slicing varieties I’ve grown are ‘summer dance’ and ‘sweeter yet’. Those are hybrids but tasty nevertheless. I usually look for something with disease resistance to the foliar diseases. It being hot and humid here from April till the end of September.

YMMV, of course, always.


87 posted on 12/27/2013 7:59:59 PM PST by Black Agnes
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To: JRandomFreeper
Extracting the pure alkaloid to start with is my main concern. I'll just get my nicotine the old fashioned way and cure my tobacco leaves and smoke 'em. ;)

I've never smoked anything, but if you operated on a per weight basis, assuming your extract contains no more than a particular % straight stuff, and then halve or quarter the dilution for a safety margin.

I never worked with tobacco, but I worked a LOT with extracts from spices/herbs, including making my own vanilla extract (easy with the right lab glassware and drinking grade alcohol.
88 posted on 12/27/2013 8:06:04 PM PST by Nepeta
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To: Nepeta
I don't have a problem with most extracts, including some capsicum extract in school ;). Nicotine is a pretty harsh poison.

I've read up on the extraction of nicotine, and it's not worth it to me. Ground tobacco scrap works ok for a pesticide, and smoking works for me. I don't need the liquid version for e-cigs.

/johnny

89 posted on 12/27/2013 8:17:44 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: greeneyes
Warm day today here in the Phoenix area. Low 70s. I was outside tidying up in the garden in shorts and blouse with no jacket!

I was pleasantly surprised that I have tomatoes ripening. This variety is Stupice, which I planted at the end of August.

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I started some tomato seeds indoors a couple of weeks ago and today I transplanted the first of them into plastic cups where they will live until they are put out in the garden. I'm growing 4 varieties of tomatoes this year, but want only 2 plants each. DH gave me an EarthBox for Christmas and I'll try growing some cherry tomatoes in it.

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90 posted on 12/27/2013 8:34:39 PM PST by mom3boys
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To: JRandomFreeper
Yep, I extracted chillies and peppers to instrumentally determine capsaicin levels by gas chromatography a la the old days of packed columns (we made our own custom column packings and filled the columns in the lab, not a computer in the building in those days!)

We also extracted cloves and black pepper for GC analysis. the procedures seem so primitive now, but they were a great education.
91 posted on 12/27/2013 8:38:31 PM PST by Nepeta
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To: Black Agnes

I read about Lemon Cucumbers about an hour ago - they can be pickled. I’ll copy your info. Thanks,
Marcella


92 posted on 12/27/2013 8:43:34 PM PST by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: greeneyes
Fresh lettuce AND TOMATOES. I am jealous.

The tomatoes came from a volunteer plant. I must have dropped one tomato and the seeds came up. It was a Roma plant, but sure was good.

93 posted on 12/28/2013 4:47:33 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: greeneyes; JRandomFreeper; rightly_dividing; sockmonkey; Nepeta; Silentgypsy; ApplegateRanch; ...

Here’s a question: How do you decide how many of each plant to plant? Do you plant a row because you have that many seeds or do you plan how many plants you want growing of that particular seed? Those of you who have planted for years, know how much of “x” to plant - how did you decide that?

I have ordered these cucumber seeds for pickles and pickle relish:

Homemade Pickles Seeds, National Pickling, Carolina.


94 posted on 12/28/2013 8:36:56 AM PST by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: JRandomFreeper
Good morning guy, I hope you are doing well.

Did you ever locate that plant that produces shotgun shells? When you do, ping me. Damn 12 gauge shells are getting expensive.

5.56mm

95 posted on 12/28/2013 8:42:08 AM PST by M Kehoe
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To: Marcella

I determine how much space I have. Look at the package and see how much space a mature plant will cover and then measure your prepared bed. There are also guides about how large a family certain veggies will feed. One year I planted too many tomatoes (although I didn’t think there could ever be too many tomatoes).

After giving pound and pounds of tomatoes away, canning lots of salsa, eating tomatoes until I turned orange, and trading a crate of tomatoes for 2 Sunday brunches at a local restaurant, I still had tomatoes that rotted on the vine! They all ripened at once, and I had an abundance of tomatoes. I should have planted them 2 weeks apart over the course of a month.


96 posted on 12/28/2013 8:46:20 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Marcella
I require 12 lbs tobacco/yr. Goal is to process 24 lbs. Yield is approx 3 oz cured tobacco per plant. That's 5.3 plants per lb. times 24 lbs = 128 plants. Double that for 'oops, I dropped the flat of seedlings' losses and other dumb stuff. Round to a managable number. I'll probably start 200 tobacco seedlings, and pray I get the 12 lbs. If things are favorable, I might get more.

Pessimist by policy, optimist by temperament.

/johnny

97 posted on 12/28/2013 8:46:50 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: M Kehoe
LOL!. It is telling that I didn't have a spare quarter dollar by the door, but I did have a 12 ga shell. I've got more ammo than change. ;)

/johnny

98 posted on 12/28/2013 8:48:02 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Marcella

We plant willy-nilly in little starter pots and give away our excess. Worked out great last year! One of the local preachers took all of our excess and passed them out to people who disn’t have enough things to plant.


99 posted on 12/28/2013 8:48:47 AM PST by Silentgypsy (Can't sleep; zombie turkeys will get me..)
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To: mom3boys
This variety is Stupice,

Those are GOOD! I planted those a couple of years ago because I think they were marked as "early ripening" which is a bonus around here with our short summers. I'd never had them before, and I was very impressed with them.

100 posted on 12/28/2013 8:50:12 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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