Posted on 09/10/2013 3:06:04 AM PDT by nikos1121
I’ve been thinking about this all night...It doesn’t make sense to me. Does anyone else feel the same way I do?
Putin is very very quick, almost too quick, to offer the INternational control of weapons IMMEDIATELY after Kerry’s faux Paux. Why?
I don't think in the least that he fears Obama, or even respects the man as his equal. So why would he make an offer that on the surface will ultimately make Obama look good esp in the eyes of the media, and make him looks like he caved to Obama's threats?
Anyone over the age of 40 kows that the Russians are and always will be liars. They will promise anything to get what they want.
I say this whole thing is set up to expose Obama for the phony he is in this matter. It is not an offer made by a man who fears Obama. To the contrary, I believe that it's an empty offer that intends to ultimately embarrass Obama in the media even more so than he has been.
Think about this. The administration at first says Kerry's comments were rhetorical, giving us the idea that Kerry messed up, but then pundits spin this to sound like Obama got the Russians to do this, and now Obama is taking credit for it. Hillary steps in too.
Makes no sense. Sounds to me like a sly move by Putin that in the end will undermine Obama even more.
I can't help but think that Putin is toying with us, and Obama and company are falling right into it. Why would the Russians be afraid of Obama esp when he says this is going to be an extremely small bombing.
So why did he offer this?
Let’s think this through. WHy would Putin make this offer, unless his intelligence has made it very clear that Obama is using the chemical weapons as a pretense to rally support to bomb Syria and support the MB fight against Syria.
I think that PUtin knows it's got nothing to do with chemical weapons, and to prove it he immediately offers to take that issue off the table.
Now the ball is back in Obama’s court and the MSM can applaud him as there should no longer be an issue for war. The media already are saying Obama is the smartest guy in the room. He got the Russians to cave without firing a shot. Game should be over, right?
WRONG. The Saudi’s, Obama etc want regime change in Syria. It’s not about dying babies and chemical weapons. It’s about regime change and supporting the MB. Same game as in Libya and Egypt.
Boy, I would think Obama is fuming about this. NOw he's called out by the Russians and there's again no where to hide for him. If the Russians and Syrians say we're removing the weapons, the whole matter should be over.
So the Russians figure Obama will back off on his threat to bomb. What will the Russians do? They can spin this all they want for as long as they want. I predict that they will take their fine time on this. Weeks, months maybe a year. Hahahaha.
Why do I picture Putin over there with this big grin on his face. He's thinking, I'll not only beat Obama on any battle field because I know that man is a coward, but I'll beat him in the social media as well.
Does anyone actually believe that Assad will destroy his chemical weapons? Who will watch over the weapons? Hey, I got an idea, how about the Russians? Maybe they'll offer to do so in fact, I'm sure that's all part of it.
And just a thought. What if after some international scrutiny it turns out the chemical weapons came from Iraq, from Saddam? Then what? Don't think Kerry and company would like that information to get out now would they.
BOTTOM LINE NOW IS THAT THE CONGRESS AND AMERICAN PEOPLE CANNOT BE DUPED INTO VOTING FOR BOMBING UNDER ANY CONTINGENCY. IN OTHER WORDS THIS SHOULD NOT CHANGE THE VOTE. BOEHNER SHOULD NOW CALL A VOTE ON THIS. WE NEED TO GIVE OBAMA A CLEAR "NO" ON HAVING ANY MANDATE TO BOMB SYRIA.
I'm asking for Freepers to give me their take on this. I'm saying Putin has pulled a remarkable gambit move here. I say he'll promise anything to put Obama on the spot to back off his threats, in turn exposing Obama. Putin knows the media now will run with this.
Like I said, no one with any intelligence actually believes that Obama wants to bomb Syria because of the chemical weapons. Bob Menedez, Kerry and all the other simpletons can say all they want about dying babies. I say bull.
This whole thing is predicated on the clear assumption that Assad unleashed the weapons. Where is the proof? If he did then why would he offer to destroy them or to even render them unusable. Show the American public the proof.
The whole thing on the surface makes no sense unless you start by realizing this is about Obama's long term covert support for the MB and to do what the Saudi's want him to do.
Hey Henry Kessinger, Charles Krauthammer anyone! What the heck is going on here? Please tell us.
The Russians are calling Obama’s bluff for all the world to see. Within seconds Putin agrees to take the chemical weapons out of the equation, which lends credence to what you posted.
Now Obama is stymied. He's in a dilemma He can't bomb if the chemical weapons issue is resolved. IT never was about chemical weapons or the killing of innocents. WHo can be more innocent that helpless truck drivers, half naked soldiers, priest, nuns and countless Christians being killed? What troubles me is the thought of people like McCain and Graham. Are they in on this, but more so than Obama? Do the Saudis control them too? Bottom line...after this morning I am convinced that this is not about chemical weapons, but all about who controls energy in the ME.
Obama has managed to destroy the bonds between the US and many former allies. The results of this Presidency are that all that he claimed to desire in 2008 have all backfired on him, the nation and the world.
Anybody with half a brain could see this coming in 2008...
Re post 61. You are correct, sir.
Some, such as with the UK, were clearly purposeful. Some seem to have been lost for neglect and negligence, while he has teamed with his real allies in the world instead.
The US has several natural allies. Start with the anglosphere. Canada, Australia, the UK, and even New Zealand share a common language, a set of values, basic common law, and much more with the US. You have to go back 50 years and more to find worse relations between the US and these natural allies.
The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order.
Russia and America have a common foe in the clash with rising, conquering Islam. I believe Putin recognizes this. Obama (like, to some extent, Bush before him) choose to reject the reality of the clash and what is required to check the rise of Islam.
The so-called Arab Spring has been a great leap forward for one side in the clash. Perhaps both Putin and Obama understand this. One is OK with it. One is not.
It does not have to be an either/or proposition. It can be a both/and situation.
Yes, I agree. We have some very very smart people. I honestly thru the question out there cause I didn’t know.
Was listening to Fox & Friends, they sounded totally clueless. No one seems to question why Putin did this. They don’t see the simple fact that Putin called Obama’s bluff.
It’s not about chemical weapons. Never was. The framework of discussion here from all sides was very educational.
(gag) President for life---yup, that's his and his Chi/mob's pie-eyed scheme.
I guess they'll have to change their plans (cackle).
Yes, and I agree with you about facing the Islamic threat. We should be on the same side with Russia on this.
Funny. By threatening Syria, Russia has rearmed Assad to the teeth. He is now more secure than before this started, and he has Obama to thank for this.
No matter how you look at this, Obama bundled the whole thing from the start.
I think it was going to be a cake walk for him esp if he had support of the Brits and Germans. Take out Assad’s airport and airforce. Take out his communications and some of his air defense capapbilities.
But something very strange happened, almost like God decided to intervene, and the Brits back off, and then the Germans, and I’m sure Putin then came forth and made it clear to Obama that he would defend Syria.
Almost over night Obama reverses himself and decides to go to Congress. I’m sure he had one sleepless night. Kerry, Carney all of them scramble to say they were informed when obviously they were not.
Obama is a coward, he will not bomb anyone, now less so. Putin owns him.
Still funny to me that NO ONE IN THE MEDIA is questioning Putin’s move like we are here.
Obama will speak to America tonight on national TV and will declare ‘MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.’
The Norwegian Nobel Committee Has Decided to award a second Peace Prize to Obama.
Syria’s ‘Surrender’ Ends Bizarre White House Scheme
David Francis
The Fiscal Times
September 10, 2013
The debate over striking Syria for Bashar al-Assad’s alleged use of chemical weapons took a bizarre turn yesterday, with a possible diplomatic breakthrough that either represents shrewd statecraft or desperation.
The president and his administration have failed to articulate a coherent strategy for confronting Assad and selling the plan to attack him to the public and lawmakers. The White House’s mishandling of Syria exposes policy fault lines and leadership shortcomings, even if they accomplished their goal in the end. Here’s how it all went down:
Assad can prevail over the “rebels” — in fact, foreign to Syria Al Qaeda invaders, — without any chemical weapons. It was not in the Syrian government’s interest to use the chemical weapons; it is certainly a provocation designed to get America involved on the side of the bandits.
Putin simply did what is reasonable for the Russian national interest: to keep the Russian waning credibility up, humiliate Obama, show that Russia stands by its allies, and keep Syria as a guarantor, weak as it is, of Russian presence in the Mediterranean.
It just so happens that from time to time, Russian policies align with American Conservatism better than international Marxism and its American lackeys.
Putin: Check mate
Putin left Bozo holding the bag and Kerry looking incredibly small.
Pray America is Waking Up
You are exactly right. Of course it’s about regime change and not about chemical weapons. That’s the three card monty trick. I had come to this conclusion even before the Putin gambit based on the fact that you cite later in your very fine post. If the goal were, in fact, chemical weapons, then lobbing a few cruise missiles after ample time has passed to allow the weapons to be moved, hidden or buried accomplishes exactly nothing. Well, not quite nothing, it purports to enhance the “manliness” of the boy president. But either way, even before the Putin gambit, there was enough there to see that a fast one was being pulled.
I suspect the original plan was to use this as a Tonkin Gulf incident and morph slowly into regime change a la Libya. The evidence was there before, you saw it, I saw it, Putin saw it, and now the bluff has been called.
Nice post.
Great post - my only comment would be that not to long ago there was a coup d’etat in Qatar with I think the son deposing the father. My gut tells me that this coup must be part of the overall narrative but I can’t find it being mentioned in most of these discussions.
I honestly didn’t have it figured out. Some really great posts figured things out. I wish more people could read this entire postings and follow the discussion. Then if someone in the media can ask the tough questions we can see what the response would be.
I’m sure there are more things involved than just who controls ME energy, but one thing is clear. If you’re trying to get world support for toppling Assad what would be more effective in bringing the various factions together and esp the MSM?
A. The beheading of Priests, killing of nuns and burning of Christian Churches.
B. Chemical weapons allegely being used by Assad against Women and Children.
C. Roadside killing of soldiers
The military coup in 2012 failed.
In June of this year: http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2013/06/coup-in-qatar.html
Qatar will pursue its ‘independent behaviour’ - new emir
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/06/26/uk-qatar-emir-idUKBRE95O06220130626
David Roberts, deputy director of the Royal United Services Institute based in Doha, said the speech had a “down to business tone, indicating that the country has work to and he is eager to get on with it”.
“It strongly suggested that Qatar will continue on its path with regard to foreign policy; there was no attempt to backtrack or rein that in. There was certainly no equivocation,” he said.
“Putin has been, after all, an incredibly cruel bully over his energy empire. I can supply you with tons of links about this...”
Post your links.
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