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To: nikos1121
Good thread and I read it all. Some of the best FReeper postings I have seen in a while. Thanks to all who contribute reasoned thoughts and source material for context and background. My thought is simply something that has rattled around in my head since the days of Gorbachev and Yeltsin. The notion has persisted with the rise of radical conquering Islam. It has to do with the"Clash of Civilizations".

The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order.

Russia and America have a common foe in the clash with rising, conquering Islam. I believe Putin recognizes this. Obama (like, to some extent, Bush before him) choose to reject the reality of the clash and what is required to check the rise of Islam.

The so-called Arab Spring has been a great leap forward for one side in the clash. Perhaps both Putin and Obama understand this. One is OK with it. One is not.

86 posted on 09/10/2013 5:09:23 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: don-o

Yes, I agree. We have some very very smart people. I honestly thru the question out there cause I didn’t know.

Was listening to Fox & Friends, they sounded totally clueless. No one seems to question why Putin did this. They don’t see the simple fact that Putin called Obama’s bluff.

It’s not about chemical weapons. Never was. The framework of discussion here from all sides was very educational.


89 posted on 09/10/2013 5:42:33 AM PDT by nikos1121 (“To err is human; to forgive, divine.” Alexander Pope (1688-1744) English poet)
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To: don-o

Yes, and I agree with you about facing the Islamic threat. We should be on the same side with Russia on this.

Funny. By threatening Syria, Russia has rearmed Assad to the teeth. He is now more secure than before this started, and he has Obama to thank for this.

No matter how you look at this, Obama bundled the whole thing from the start.

I think it was going to be a cake walk for him esp if he had support of the Brits and Germans. Take out Assad’s airport and airforce. Take out his communications and some of his air defense capapbilities.

But something very strange happened, almost like God decided to intervene, and the Brits back off, and then the Germans, and I’m sure Putin then came forth and made it clear to Obama that he would defend Syria.

Almost over night Obama reverses himself and decides to go to Congress. I’m sure he had one sleepless night. Kerry, Carney all of them scramble to say they were informed when obviously they were not.

Obama is a coward, he will not bomb anyone, now less so. Putin owns him.

Still funny to me that NO ONE IN THE MEDIA is questioning Putin’s move like we are here.


91 posted on 09/10/2013 5:48:51 AM PDT by nikos1121 (“To err is human; to forgive, divine.” Alexander Pope (1688-1744) English poet)
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