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Rachel Jeantel's Language is English — It's Just Not Your English
PolicyMic ^ | July 3, 2013 | Marina Bolotnikova

Posted on 08/06/2013 12:04:45 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: fieldmarshaldj

One of the best scenes in all of moviedom!


81 posted on 08/06/2013 5:18:26 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: Progov

There is. In the home.


82 posted on 08/06/2013 5:21:06 AM PDT by DeWalt
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To: enotheisen

It worked for Benjamin Crump, Jesse Jackson,and Al Sharpton.


83 posted on 08/06/2013 5:33:32 AM PDT by DeWalt
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To: RginTN
the british version of ebonics.

Is that different from Cockney?

84 posted on 08/06/2013 5:34:04 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves Month")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
It is not because of her flawed English, as some have suggested, but in spite of her perfectly articulated English that Jeantel was discriminated against. Linguistic discrimination is just one of many mechanisms that systemically disadvantage African Americans in the U.S., but it is a crucial one.

So now I have to learn Ebonics? It strikes me as a degenerate dialect--less direct, fewer tenses, ambiguous or simplified vocabulary. Why should I have to do that?

85 posted on 08/06/2013 5:42:16 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
Show me...a technical manual or assembly instructions written in this putative alternate dialect of English.

When I read this I immediately though of several electronics owners' manuals, written in pretty bad Asian/English.

86 posted on 08/06/2013 5:43:08 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves Month")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

False equivalency rhetoric. Utter BS.


87 posted on 08/06/2013 5:45:45 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: Texas Fossil
obozo’s speech inflection...What do his speech characteristics tell about his past?

They tell us that he learned how to read.

88 posted on 08/06/2013 5:54:32 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves Month")
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To: Fai Mao

It can be difficult for kids in a multilingual family.

My mother spoke excellent English, Russian, Yiddish. My father spoke correct English, Yiddish and Argentinian Spanish. None of my grandparents spoke English as a first language. My maternal grandparents spoke different dialects of Yiddish and we had to remember which one said which pronunciation or they would get huffy and refuse to respond. We responded by calling things by combined words that used both dialects. They lived a large part of their adult lives in immigrant and first generation communities where all the adults spoke several languages and shifted between them.

Everyone was merciless on the kids when it came to correct English because “You don’t want to sound like a greenhorn.” We learned that excellent English so well, I once had a teacher remark that that I spoke it too correctly, like someone who learned it well, but as a second language.

However, they would use the other languages among themselves, especially when they wanted to communicate privately in front of us. So, we picked up the important words: daughter, son, names of foods and anything that might mean we were in trouble. Every other communication in our lives took place in English, most of it colloquial.

Today I know a few words and phrases in Yiddish, know zero Spanish except for American Spanglish and I never acquired an ear for Russian. I think they had their own amalgam of all their common languages and have no idea of their dialects, except Bubbe and Zayde who bickered constantly over “braedt-brodt” and “Pittur-putter” (phonetic for their differences in saying “bread and butter”).

I still sort of mentally translate colloquial English into academically correct English, and try not to wince internally at poor grammar.

Your grandkids are Americans and that is what they will speak.


89 posted on 08/06/2013 6:01:12 AM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: dr_lew
Charlie Brown's teacher spoke the same language as java Jenteal. The liberal white cracka wants us to adopt every stupid trend of the ghettos. I will start by referring to the author as a creepy ass cracka Ho.
90 posted on 08/06/2013 6:04:54 AM PDT by peeps36 (I'm Not A Racist, I Hate Douchebags f All Colors)
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To: peeps36

Liberals seek the destruction of Western (Christian) Culture as one of their highest priorities.

The “ghetto” culture is actually an anti-culture, one that is in rebellion to (”don’t act white”) the Western Culture,

so the left embraces it.


91 posted on 08/06/2013 6:09:04 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Fuzz

““My Chinese wife does complain that our grand kids don’t speak good Chinese”

That sentence is as grammatically incorrect as anything Jeantel has ever said.”

No, it isn’t. I would prefer “grandchildren”, but everything is correct.


92 posted on 08/06/2013 6:12:58 AM PDT by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

93 posted on 08/06/2013 6:23:27 AM PDT by JoeProBono (Mille vocibus imago valet;-{)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

Chinglish.

“Please slip and fall carefully”


94 posted on 08/06/2013 6:41:26 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Doing the same thing and expecting different results is called software engineering.)
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To: VanShuyten

‘don’t speak good Chinese’ is technically not ‘correct’ grammar.


95 posted on 08/06/2013 6:52:14 AM PDT by Fuzz
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To: ROCKLOBSTER
"the british version of ebonics."

That's an interesting observation. In Michael Crichton's excellent book "The Great Train Robbery" he explores at some length the London slang of the criminal class. They used this jargon, and it's quite elaborate, to determine bona fides. If one couldn't keep up w/ the dialog then they were clearly an impostor.

I suspect that ebonics works in a similar fashion being used to seperate genuine ghetto from wanna be ghetto.

96 posted on 08/06/2013 7:09:58 AM PDT by Pietro
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To: Fuzz

There’s nothing ungrammatical about “They don’t speak good Chinese.”

“Good Chinese” refers to standard, grammatical Chinese, and is perfectly fine to use.

Perhaps you are confusing “I don’t speak good English” with I don’t speak English well,” two similar sentences that can have very different meanings.


97 posted on 08/06/2013 7:12:44 AM PDT by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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To: VanShuyten

So you are saying that they speak Chinese, but the equivalent of a ‘ghetto’ version of Chinese and speak that dialect well?


98 posted on 08/06/2013 7:20:12 AM PDT by Fuzz
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To: Pietro
I suspect that ebonics works in a similar fashion being used to seperate genuine ghetto from wanna be ghetto.

Why can't the blackish teach their children how to speak?

99 posted on 08/06/2013 7:22:06 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves Month")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s not English. It will move her forward, and she knows she has to speak differently in other settings.


100 posted on 08/06/2013 7:23:12 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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