Posted on 07/13/2013 4:42:55 AM PDT by rickmichaels
Half of men over the age of 60 who were studied posthumously were found to have prostate cancer even though they died of other causes, a new study out of Mount Sinai Hospital shows.
The study shows that a large proportion of prostate cancer tumours are in fact not life-threatening, Dr. Alexandre Zlotta said Friday.
Results show there should be an improved screening method which would detect the disease based on clinical significance and level of aggressiveness instead of screening for all forms of this cancer.
The findings also say the common use of prostate-specific antigen testing for the disease increases the risk of detecting low-risk prostate cancers and leads to unnecessary treatments.
“In North America, men with clinically significant prostate cancer are offered radical treatment usually in the form of surgery or radiation and there are heavy personal tolls to these treatments,” Zlotta said. “But our study shows that in Japan, despite completely different lifestyles, despite a much lower incidence of clinically detected prostate cancer, and a much lower mortality rate due to prostate cancer compared to men in North America, Asian men have similar prevalence of the disease, but they aren’t dying from it.”
Caucasian men in Russia, who share the same characteristics as men in North America, such as a high-fat diet and reduced sun exposure, were used in the study.
The study also researched Asian men in Japan, who generally have a lower death rate from prostate cancer than men in North America as they eat healthier diets.
By studying two different populations, the research showed that the differences in incidence and mortality rates, and in genetics and lifestyle factors, the likelihood of prostate cancer was similar in both Caucasian and Asian men.
The prostate cancer in Asian men was actually more aggressive but they actually died from other factors.
The medical community needs to reexamine the definitions of “clinically unimportant” and “clinically significant” prostate cancer, Zlotta said.
“The study emphasizes the importance of understanding how many men in North America over a certain age harbour the latent form of prostate cancer, as this population is often over-diagnosed and over-treated, potentially leading to major side effects that affect lifestyle and personal well-being,” he said.
Why?
I'm no vegetarian but I couldn't care less about people that are. No skin off my back if they don't want to eat meat. Why would it bother you so much?
Anger, jealousy and envy are self-destructive emotions. They only hurt you and they eat away at your well-being. Learn to live and let live and your life will be much happier and less stressful.
I equate the “movement” to the homosexual lobby. They push and push for some sort of societal “acceptance.” Vegetarians and vegans have been some of the most vocal, in-your-face sort of people I’ve ever met. And much like homosexuals, they push for us to give up meat as if it’s some sociological taboo.
The vegetarian/vegan movements also brought us the “soy coalitions” who pushed food packagers to use soy instead of other vegetable-based oils in our foods like salad dressing. Having a thyroid condition, I am particularly sensitive to soy products, and the phytoestrogens in soy have been shown to cause sexual dysfunction in men including the onset of gynecomastia (breast tissue growth in men).
Take a look at the ingredient lists on your favorite foods and even cosmetics and body care products. Soy is in EVERYTHING, and I doubt we have a clear grasp on the impact soy will have on the body long term quite yet.
The yearly digital exam followed up with a PSA test right now is the best for early detection. Anything above a 10 reading you need help. Some doctors likely say lower so they can contain it. The whole thing you have to watch is making sure it stays localized within the Gland itself and doesn't move into regions like the Pelvic area. You can even go through Castration as a treatment to stop the progression once it has left the gland to other regions and your body will still start producing Testosterone by other means enough to eventually feed the cancer again. However such surgery can also perhaps buy you a decade like it did for my dad who initially was given three years too live. His quality of life at his age of detection in his early 70's was not drastically effected going this route.
The cancer finally took him in Oct 2011. His last year was his roughest. Before that he was active and enjoying life even with the radical surgery he's undergone ten years earlier. This was because he was otherwise so darn healthy other common causes didn't kill him like the doctors thought it would. He lived to be 83 and ate what he darn well pleased diet wise within reason. The only diet changed his doctor really pushed more than anything was eating Tomatoes.
Every male should be checked yearly especially if there is family history. Personally I would do it in the late 40's if there is family history.
I ran into an old shipmate at Wally World a couple years ago. He's my age and we were talking. I told him my dad was fixing to pass from Prostate Cancer. He said they had just removed his Prostate because he had aggressive Prostate cancer. He was in his early 50's at the time maybe 53. His dad died of cancer what type I do not know. One common thing they did have besides genetics was both drank although my shipmate hadn't drank likely in about 25-30 years.
One other thing real important. The Prostate over time will start to enlarge although the enlargement is Benign. This effects urine flow somewhat. It is best to get a medication for that issue. These are the things that matter in prevention more so than diets etc. I'll likely develop Prostate Cancer at some point. I'm counting on early detection and wait and see even after it is found as to the course of treatment. With my family history ignoring it would not be smart.
Plain and simple truth is little is still known about Prostate Cancer for the simple reason men in years past usually did not live long enough for it to really be noticeable. They died of other causes first.
I see the PSA as a "red flag, you might want to look into this" test. If it weren't for a PSA screening I did in January, I wouldn't know now that I have T2B/C, Gleason 3+4 cancer (diagnosed via biopsy). At 50 years of age, I'm all for attempting to eradicate it.
I, for one, am glad the PSA screening exists.
If that is true, why would you want to "live longer" anyway?
Regards,
GtG
PS Your Doc forgot loose women...
Yep. Monsanto is a demon from hell. And after giving up meat, dairy , eggs and even alcohol (and I LOVED me the hooch!), you know what the hardest thing to give up was?
I make my own wine and beer. Soda? I never really liked it. I’ve always prefered “raw sugar.”
I used to love potato chips until I went for a month without them. The next time I tried “just one” it tasted DISGUSTING.
My women are tight.
“Of course the rising price of beef will affect our business. We sold 12 billion hamburgers last year, and that represents nearly 9 pounds of ground beef.” Chuck Connors as Ray Kroc on Saturday Night Live.
Animals do get cavities. They also die younger than humans.
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I don’t eat meat...not because animals are cute. After surviving several blasts in Iraq - no wounds - but twisted up - I found that coming back and eating a meat diet - I just could digest it...Walter Reed suggested that going vegetarian would help my digestion since it was my hip and leg which was affected. They also stated that eating veg’s - the human body gets enough protein and that I do not need to intake the amount of daily protein someone does when they eat meat...so in all actual fact - humans don’t have to eat meat to survive, build muscle, etc...my conditions improved and I feel much better - plus I never get sick or take the flu shot - while everyone else around me that does - gets sick...plus I was taking allergy medicine and taking shots — my allergy symptoms cleared up with in 72 hrs completely...haven’t taken allergy med’s since....this is going on years now...i take it for what it is and from what I’ve experienced personally...however, the Natives in Alaska have to eat meat — but they do so almost 100%...so it really depends on environment...I can assure you - If I had to kill an animal to survive — I’d do it without thought...but where I’m at - I don’t have to and can eat a total meatless diet...alot of sick people are that way due to their diet...medication just hide the symptoms and never heal the person like going on a strict healthy veg/fruit/almond milk/grain diet...no soy either...
“Don’t want to die from cancer - stop eating meat, dairy, & sugars..replace it with veg’s, fruits, grains, and almond milk - “
Meat and Dairy is not the problem. Meat loaded with antibiotics and hormones, and also dairy, along with pastuerized dairy, can be deadly.
Of course you can substitute good ole Soy Protein (Veggie) with all its cancer causing estrogenics...really good for cancer in the prostate or breast etc.
Now, seriously, if we are interested in preventing breast or prostate cancer we need to saturate the tissues with iodine. A woman with enough iodine in her system will not get breast cancer. A man with enough iodine will not get prostate cancer. An no, iodized salt does not give you enough iodine. Think supplementation. Some Japanese diets many have higher levels of iodine, and that could explain the less significant impact prostate cancer has on Japanese men.
Complete BS as is a lot of the other “information” posted on this tread. Especially your part about pasteurized dairy being deadly. Quite the opposite is true as unpasteurized dairy products are more likely to cause serious illness and even death unless you like a good dose of Brucella, Campylobacter, E. coli O157:H7, Listeria, Mycobacterium bovis, Salmonella, and Yersinia. Yummy. Louis Pasteur (who was a genius and saved an untold number of lives) is rolling in his grave with nonsense such as this and if he could come back, he’d slap you silly.
Of course you can substitute good ole Soy Protein (Veggie) with all its cancer causing estrogenics...really good for cancer in the prostate or breast etc.
An no, iodized salt does not give you enough iodine. Think supplementation. Some Japanese diets many have higher levels of iodine, and that could explain the less significant impact prostate cancer has on Japanese men.
Again, complete and utter junk science. First of all, if you eat a well balanced diet that includes some deep green leafy vegetables and some seafood and use even small amounts of iodized salt, you are probably getting plenty of iodine. If however you take OTC iodine supplements, especially in large amounts, you risk serious heart problems and thyroid disease.
And I would also point out that the Japanese eat a lot of soy and soy products, an average 8.7 g of soy protein per day so if what you say is true about their consumption of iodine (that I would think comes from their consumption of seafood and seaweed) then the amount of soy they eat would counter act their iodine consumption.
Time for you to go back to school, but not the one sponsored by the Druggies, i.e. Big Pharma. You are ignorant regarding dairy. Review the data. Google could be your friend. And you need to learn how to discern the difference between Big Pharma/Big Ag ‘hype’ and the truth.
Instead of addressing what I posted or answering my questions, insult me. That’s the way all you anti-science types react when confronted with the facts.
Yeah - my little boy - who eat nothign but healthy foods - won’t touch McDonald - has always been that way since 2yrs old...and is now 5 yrs old...eats a vegetarian diet and was checked by Riley Hospital - is growing and not deficient in anything...watch websites like this...everyone has an agenda....and depending, supplements that are natural may have to be taken...vitamins and natural enzymes might have to be given depending on what is served....there was something else that lead to this baby’s death other than what this article is saying...
Well I thank you for your service, and I appreciate your conviction. I apologize if my post came off as an insinuation that you are/were a militant vegan. My statements were generalities intended for a broader audience and not directed at any particular FReeper.
It frustrates me to no end seeing people fade away into wisps because they have some preposterous notion that meat is murder or otherwise causes grievous harm to the human body. Humans have been consuming meat since the dawn of time. Yes we eat fruit and vegetables, but we also consume meat. It is scientifically evident from our dental evolution and the fact that we have a single-chamber stomach. To deny oneself meat is to deny thousands of years of evolution and the protein and fat necessary for normal systemic functionality.
More power to you for your plight, BCW. I personally exercise daily, including heavy weight lifting, kayaking, biking, running, and contact sports. I require a lot of protein to keep synthesis of new muscle fibers going and to maintain healthy blood.
So true. I radically changed my diet to almost all vegetables and a little fruit. Went a long time with no meat, no dairy, no sugars (other than from root vegetables and fruit), no processed carbs (no bread, pasta etc.) I lost 35 pounds and cut my 10k run time by 15 minutes. I’ve since introduced more protein as I’m lifting weights more. I’ve gained back 6 pounds of muscle.
The bottom line is I’m 43 years old and have 3 young sons. I want to be around when they grow up. I’d like to live well into my 80s and have a relationship with my future grand kids. It takes discipline. It helps that I’m still in the army and must pass an annual APFT. This year I maxed my run and took satisfaction in beating all the kids in their 20s.
Yes, I cheat sometimes. Had a party at the house last night and ate at least 6 pieces of pizza, drank 6 beers. That means I’ll run 8 miles today instead of 6.
One more thing...invest in a good juicer. Its a great way to get some quality calories. Watch the documentary “Fat Sick and Nearly Dead” by Joe Cross. Very entertaining and informative.
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