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1 posted on 03/18/2013 3:52:39 PM PDT by JerseyanExile
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To: GreyFriar

reminder to send to Mark


2 posted on 03/18/2013 3:55:19 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: CougarGA7

Tank info


3 posted on 03/18/2013 4:01:56 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: JerseyanExile

Quite the article, thanks.


4 posted on 03/18/2013 4:02:22 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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Thought you might be interested.


5 posted on 03/18/2013 4:14:17 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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The Panther tank came as a shock to US forces in the days after the Normandy invasion. Not that the Panther was unheard-of before D-Day. But somehow, the substantial information on the characteristics of the new German tank that were available to the US Army had not been correctly interpreted, and so its combat capabilities and its impact on operations had not been anticipated

Because the Germans didn't use any at Kursk, and the Allies had no reports from the Russians as to the effectiveness of it, or what it would take to kill one.

6 posted on 03/18/2013 4:15:58 PM PDT by archy
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Ping.


8 posted on 03/18/2013 4:33:35 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: JerseyanExile

Great article. As informative as any by Steve Zaloga.


13 posted on 03/18/2013 4:36:51 PM PDT by xkaydet65
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Hey - nice post - great tank and munitions data.
Dad was a tank driver in North Africa and Italy - heard some great tanker stories in both desert and mountain environments. (Was taken out by a mine in Italy - spent rest of the war in a hospital in France).
14 posted on 03/18/2013 4:38:54 PM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: JerseyanExile

Amazing find!


15 posted on 03/18/2013 4:46:54 PM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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A great book on the subject is “Death Traps: The Survival of an American Armored Division in World War II,” by Belton Cooper. The author was in charge of recovering, cleaning out and repairing or dismantling damaged and destroyed tanks for Patton’s 3rd Armored Division.

One of the revalations in the book is that the US was ready to replace the Sherman before DDay. The US Army could have gone to war in France with the M26 Pershing, which was ready to start being produced as the US main battle tank in late 43. The major oppenent of the change was none other than Gen. George Patton, who falsely believed that a heavier tank with wider tracks would have to be slower on roads. He took the view that tanks would fill the roll of cavalry, running free behind enemy lines, and did not consider tank to tank fighting to be a major role. The Germans had other ideas, and the Amecans were forced into unequal battles that cost over 100% casualties in his tank crews over a period of 8 months.


16 posted on 03/18/2013 4:49:12 PM PDT by Hugin
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Great article. Clarifies a lot of the organizational response to the panzer threat in the desperate days of 1944.


17 posted on 03/18/2013 4:59:19 PM PDT by tanuki (Left-wing Revolution: show biz for boring people.)
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To: JerseyanExile
good stuff...
18 posted on 03/18/2013 5:09:00 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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So how exactly does the tribe go about wiping the Chieftan’s hatch.

Or does he wipe himself?


19 posted on 03/18/2013 5:16:29 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: JerseyanExile

Excellent article, and thanks for posting. BTT.


21 posted on 03/18/2013 5:26:34 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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Thanks.


24 posted on 03/18/2013 6:19:33 PM PDT by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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I had the good fortune to talk to a couple of the American Officers involved in the Battle of Nancy/Arracourt. I think one was Jimmy Leach. He talked of the advantages of the Sherman’s powered turret over the Panther’s hand-cranked turret.


25 posted on 03/18/2013 6:22:04 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: JerseyanExile

ping


28 posted on 03/18/2013 7:42:00 PM PDT by razorback-bert (I'm in shape. Round is a shape isn't it?)
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To: JerseyanExile

Very thorough and informative article. Thank you. In regard to some of the earlier posts, and some additional comments:

The Germans did indeed employ Panthers at Kursk. In part, Operation Zitadelle had been delayed until a quantity of Panthers was available. However, those Panthers had been rushed into production before they had been properly tested and were prone to breakdown, particularly their transmissions. The gun and armor scheme was still the same that the Allies would face in Normandy a year later. The Soviets captured a number of Panthers, and several of them were undamaged and had simply broken down. The Soviets knew exactly what they were faced with and as a result, they up-gunned the T-34 from the 76mm to the T-34/85.

The problem was that our Soviet friends didn’t allow an American military mission to go to the front or make a meaningful personal inspection of the captured German equipment. They didn’t tell us that they knew their T-34/76, which was comparable to the Sherman, was not a match for the Panther. And they didn’t tell us that the Germans were producing the Panther in substantial numbers.

These things would have been nice to know from our allies. It’s not like it would have compromised their national security, unlike that bomb thing we were working on.


29 posted on 03/18/2013 7:49:51 PM PDT by henkster (I have one more cow than my neighbor. I am a kulak.)
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To: JerseyanExile

Thanks for posting that.


30 posted on 03/18/2013 8:10:58 PM PDT by M1911A1
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Really cool stuff. Thanks for posting it.


35 posted on 03/19/2013 7:58:24 AM PDT by CougarGA7 ("War is an outcome based activity" - Dr. Robert Citino)
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