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Verdi or Wagner?
Daily Telegraph ^ | 1/7/13 | Ivan Hewett

Posted on 01/08/2013 8:19:15 AM PST by Borges

It’s apt that Wagner and Verdi were born in the same year. They are romantic opera’s two great antipodes, united in stature, but divided in almost everything else. They embody two completely different outlooks on life and art, which are rooted in the cultures of their respective nations. That’s why every German city has a Wagnerstrasse, and every Italian one a Corso Giuseppe Verdi.

Though their supporters often did battle, the composers warily avoided each other. Verdi had a grudging respect for Wagner, but he warned younger Italian composers against following the Wagnerian path. Wagner wouldn't even grant Verdi that much distinction, though there were more Italianate traits in him than he liked to admit. Both cast a long shadow over opera during their lives and afterwards, and in Wagner’s case the shadow extended even further, to politics and the arts in general. Two hundred years later, it’s easy to think the nationalist passions have cooled. But the recent row over Daniel Barenboim’s decision to open La Scala’s season with Wagner instead of Verdi showed that they’re still there, just waiting to burst out.

And what about the wider world? Does one still have to be a Verdian or a Wagnerian, or have we learned how to love both? I asked some distinguished opera-lovers and practitioners to give their views.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Music/Entertainment
KEYWORDS: classicalmusic; opera; verdi; wagner
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1 posted on 01/08/2013 8:19:21 AM PST by Borges
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To: .30Carbine; 1cewolf; 1rudeboy; 2nd Bn, 11th Mar; 31R1O; ADemocratNoMore; afraidfortherepublic; ...

Classical Ping


2 posted on 01/08/2013 8:23:15 AM PST by Borges
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To: Borges

Wagner!!!

Better French Horn parts!


3 posted on 01/08/2013 8:24:09 AM PST by petro45acp (More sheepdogs please...)
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To: Borges

Wagner.

Next question?


4 posted on 01/08/2013 8:24:37 AM PST by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: petro45acp

But where does one find an alpenhorn?


5 posted on 01/08/2013 8:27:53 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio)
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To: Borges

I’m a musical dilettante but Verdi is one of my favorite composers. His requiem is some of the strongest most hair raising music ever created. Though I like Wagner, I read that you have to be German to truly get him.


6 posted on 01/08/2013 8:28:01 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Borges

Wagner. He’s German and liberals hate him. If Adolf liked him he’s gotta be cool.

(just propagating the liberal myth)


7 posted on 01/08/2013 8:28:59 AM PST by TheRhinelander
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To: Borges

Kill the Wabbit !!! Kill the Wabbit !!!

actually I like Verdi’s Requiem..


8 posted on 01/08/2013 8:29:33 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana

With my sword and magic helmet!


9 posted on 01/08/2013 8:31:18 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Borges

I just like the music.


10 posted on 01/08/2013 8:33:06 AM PST by onedoug
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To: Jeff Chandler
"But where does one find an alpenhorn?"

The Rhine Maidens keep then right next to the Wagnertubas.
11 posted on 01/08/2013 8:37:49 AM PST by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: Borges
I guess it depends on how you like your women:


12 posted on 01/08/2013 8:41:58 AM PST by Malone LaVeigh
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To: Borges

Joe Green.

Wider array of all styles.


13 posted on 01/08/2013 8:41:58 AM PST by Paisan
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To: Borges

Wagner. A man one biographer called “meaner than Hitler,” but a great composer.


14 posted on 01/08/2013 8:43:04 AM PST by miss marmelstein ( Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: TheRhinelander

Rhinelander, eh?

Hard to imagine you casting your vote for Verdi.....


15 posted on 01/08/2013 8:47:30 AM PST by ConservativeDude
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To: Malone LaVeigh
This is what Brunhilde looked like in the most recent production at the Met -


16 posted on 01/08/2013 8:49:34 AM PST by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: Borges; mickie
Comparing the masterful, visionary, sweepingly-powerful, musical-technician Wagner to Verdi is like comparing Shakespeare to Maya Angelou.

Don't get me wrong...I love the more romantic Verdi and never tire of listening to his magical music.

Leni

17 posted on 01/08/2013 8:50:27 AM PST by MinuteGal (Send a penny NOW to CNN, 1 Time-Warner Center, NY, NY 10019 for "PENNIES FOR LEAVIN!" (Piers Morgan))
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To: onedoug

Ditto


18 posted on 01/08/2013 8:52:24 AM PST by bmwcyle (We have gone over the cliff and we are about to hit the bottom)
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To: shibumi

Opera stars have really been trimming down over the years. It’s nice to see. She looks pretty good - well, for an opera singer.


19 posted on 01/08/2013 8:53:47 AM PST by miss marmelstein ( Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: Borges

I’m probably the ony FReeper who has sung the operas of both of these titans on some of the great stages of the world. Comparing the two is a waste of time and fools who insist that either is greater only reveal their ignorance.


20 posted on 01/08/2013 8:59:48 AM PST by Dr. Thorne ("How long, O Lord, holy and true?" - Rev. 6:10)
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