Posted on 11/29/2012 2:59:29 PM PST by Renfield
"Have you considered how easy it is for us Norwegians to learn English?" asks Jan Terje Faarlund, professor of linguistics at the University of Oslo. "Obviously there are many English words that resemble ours. But there is something more: its fundamental structure is strikingly similar to Norwegian. We avoid many of the usual mistakes because the grammar is more or less the same.
Faarlund and his colleague Joseph Emmonds, visiting professor from Palacký University in the Czech Republic, now believe they can prove that English is in reality a Scandinavian language, in other words it belongs to the Northern Germanic language group, just like Norwegian, Danish, Swedish, Icelandic and Faroese. This is totally new and breaks with what other language researchers and the rest of the world believe, namely that English descends directly from Old English. Old English, or Anglo-Saxon, is a West Germanic language, which the Angles and Saxons brought with them from Northern Germany and Southern Jylland when they settled in the British Isles in the fifth century....
(Excerpt) Read more at sciencedaily.com ...
Sorry to have hurt your feelings, but the prophet Jeremiah led his troup through England and Ireland over 2500 years ago.
Hebrews have lived there ever since. It is the Jews (IOW Judah) that arrived there in the last 600 years or so.
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Thanks Lurkina.n.Learnin and Renfield. Loan vocabs and common roots, that's all that's going on here. The Jutes came from Jutland, which is modern Denmark, and the Danes and Norwegians ruled big chunks of Britain for centuries. The invasions (though not the ancestry) ended at Stamford Bridge in 1066. |
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Thanks Lurkina.n.Learnin and Renfield. Loan vocabs and common roots, that's all that's going on here. The Jutes came from Jutland, which is modern Denmark, and the Danes and Norwegians ruled big chunks of Britain for centuries. The invasions (though not the ancestry) ended at Stamford Bridge in 1066. |
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Thanks Lurkina.n.Learnin and Renfield. Loan vocabs and common roots, that's all that's going on here. The Jutes came from Jutland, which is modern Denmark, and the Danes and Norwegians ruled big chunks of Britain for centuries. The invasions (though not the ancestry) ended at Stamford Bridge in 1066. |
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Why are all of your pings coming 3 times?
I’ve posted the explanation as clearly as I know it myself, which is, that the FR software is responsible for this new problem. I’ve posted the explanation right in the ping messages a few times (which means, they’ve appeared twice as many times as that) as well as in the Digest, so eventually everyone will find out why.
This happens on dialup, and on this newfangled wireless I’m using, as well as when I do it from work, and on the home DSL I’ve been using for years without trouble.
OK, thanks.
>> “I’ve posted the explanation as clearly as I know it myself, which is, that the FR software is responsible for this new problem” <<
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I think it only happens with long ping lists. When I use short ping lists it doesn’t happen.
Yes indeed, what a ridiculous article/discovery. Fifty-five years ago at the Univ. of Iowa (home of the well known creative writing school), English PhDs were required to study Old Norse and Middle English. Other important language are Old French, Anglo Saxon, Latin, Greek, and French. Some people will say anything to make their name, even things that are well known for ages.
Norman French added a lot of vocabulary, but the language structure was not much affected. German nouns and Latin/French verbs are totally different from English, and much harder to learn. Observed by one who flunked German in high school, and almost flunked Spanish before finally catching on. Now speak decent Spanish and have studied some Italian, French and Portuguese.
I have a bilingual reproduction of something from 1500s English translated into 1500s Spanish. Spain has had an important language academy for many years which has determined what changes will be allowed in the language. I found it was easier to read and understand the Spanish than the English because it was more like modern Spanish.
Where on earth did you come up with Hebrew, unless you grew up in New York City?
Nostratic (15,000 years ago)
Eurasiatic (10,000 years ago)
Indo European (5000 years ago)
Germanic (1 millennium BC)
Old English (500-1000 AD)
Modern English (1700 AD)
From Steven Pinker’s “Words and Rules”
Brain and Cognitive Sciences, Prof MIT.
Published in 2000.
The German and Dutch languages were graphed as having the same origination period as Old English (500-1000 AD)
Nostratic
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Italic Celtic Germanic
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French German Dutch Old Eng.
Sorry to hurt your feelings but that is malarkey. And malarkey is not a Hebrew word and probably isn’t Irish either. And BTW, what sort of word is "troup"?
The second major source of loanwords to Old English were the Scandinavian words introduced during the Viking invasions of the 9th and 10th centuries. In addition to a great many place names, these consist mainly of items of basic vocabulary, and words concerned with particular administrative aspects of the Danelaw (that is, the area of land under Viking control, which included extensive holdings all along the eastern coast of England and Scotland).
The Vikings spoke Old Norse, a language related to Old English in that both derived from the same ancestral Proto-Germanic language. It is very common for the intermixing of speakers of different dialects, such as those that occur during times of political unrest, to result in a mixed language, and one theory holds that exactly such a mixture of Old Norse and Old English helped accelerate the decline of case endings in Old English.[2]
Apparent confirmation of this is the fact that simplification of the case endings occurred earliest in the north and latest in the southwest, the area farthest away from Viking influence. Regardless of the truth of this theory, the influence of Old Norse on the lexicon of the English language has been profound: responsible for such basic vocabulary items as sky, leg, the pronoun they, the verb form are, and hundreds of other words.[3]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_English#Norse_influence
There is simply no proof, no credible evidence that ancient Hebrews (Jeremiah and his "troup") travelled to England and Ireland 2,500 years ago and even “if” there were any Hebrews who did, they left no influence on the language or on the culture. The Vikings on the other hand had a profound influence.
Swordmaker at least used to have the mods delete the second one each time he pinged his list.
English is a remarkable and glorious mishmash of Germanic tongues from late antiquity, artificially superimposed Latin grammar, some P-Celtic and Q-Celtic loanwords (including, as Barry Fell pointed out, the one adjective in English that properly follows the noun, “galore”), medieval Danish and Norwegian, French (after the mid-11th century), more French along with Spanish and Dutch (from Tudor times), and Renaissance-era and modern-era German (from a couple of different dyings-out of the prior English dynasties). And in the US, loads of place names, food names, and animal names which are loan vocabulary from mostly vanished “indigenous” tribal languages. :’)
Even if you speak neither, listening to Old Norse and Anglo-Saxon spoken reveals a CLOSE similarity..
Uff da!
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