Posted on 11/14/2012 4:58:42 PM PST by Kartographer
Actually, after the Civil War, nobody believes there is a so-called right to secession, but it is a very legitimate issue to debate because all of the states that came into the Union before the Civil War believed they have a right to secede and New England in the early part of the 19th century actually considered it, and nobody questioned them about whether they had the right to do it or not.
Since the Civil War, it’s been sort of a dead issue, but he brought it up. It stirred the media and believe me, it really stirred some of the liberal media where they started really screaming about what is going on here. “This is un-American”, I heard one individual say, “This is treasonous to even talk about it.”
Well, they don’t know their history very well because if they think about it, it’s an American tradition. It’s very American to talk about secession. That’s how we came into being. Thirteen colonies seceded from the British and established a new country, so secession is very much an American principle.
What about all the strong endorsements we have given over the past decade or two of those republics that seceded from the Soviet system? We were delighted with this. We never said, “Oh no. Secession is treasonous”.
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The only rights you have are the ones you are willing to fight for.
Then Maine seceded from Massachusetts, Kentucky seceded from Virginia, Tennessee seceded from North Carolina, and Vermont seceded from both New Hampshire and New York.
If Texas pulled this off there would be no such highway as I-20 east.It would be I-20 west 4 lanes wide.
Amen Brother.
No State will be allowed to Secede without they are willing to fight.
It doesn’t matter about the right today any more than it mattered in the First Civil War.
If States want to Secede they better be ready to fight.
If they aren’t they may as well sit back and wait for the United States to fall apart, then take action.
No kidding...I’d move in a heartbeat. Probably wouldn’t have to worry about a job as my employer would likely move as well.
Zero corporate taxes. Huge money influx. Eliminate welfare. Secure the borders.
Texas could pave I-20 with gold.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloward–Piven_strategy#section_1
We’re in the collapse the system stage. Once that happens all bets are off.
Wonder if some other states would see the benefit and follow suit.
Practically speaking, secession is hard because there is no “format” for how to secede in an orderly manner. So it would seem that the way to make secession a serious issue would be to suggest that a single state resolve a constitutional amendment to make secession and similar state rights an orderly process.
Then that state ask other states to join in passing their own resolutions affirming the right of states to peacefully secede. Such a resolution is not their demanding to secede, just creating a process by which it might happen.
A constitutional amendment to that effect.
I'm in MA, so I'm doomed.
I understand the primary general point Ron Paul is making, why support the bankruptcy of other less frugal states, when your own state is genuinely striving to make ends meet and keep it’s own budget balanced. Why does everyone have to support California’s lack of productivity?
I agree. I’ll also give Paul credit for not changing his position on secession one iota. At least the man has consistency.
Presuming one ignores Texas' formal, legal, renunciation of the right of secession about a 146 years ago. Perhaps Ron can lead a campaign to renounce the renunciation. It's a rather silly conversation.
Nh is the only state left with the right of citizens to revolt. Article10 of the nh state constitution. Free starters came here partly for this reason.
18 states had similar provisions but sadly gave them up.
President Davis CSA
I believe according to 1869 supreme court case an individual state is not permitted to Secede,
But a group of states are.
Going by declaration of independence only one state is needed, or a town for that matter.
If your seceding you would most likely view US supreme courts authority as any other nation would.
The US would most likely want their nuclear weapons back that are stored in Texas. Ukraine gave theirs back to Russia 5 years later.
That would fail with enough people leaving their jobs .
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