The only rights you have are the ones you are willing to fight for.
Then Maine seceded from Massachusetts, Kentucky seceded from Virginia, Tennessee seceded from North Carolina, and Vermont seceded from both New Hampshire and New York.
If Texas pulled this off there would be no such highway as I-20 east.It would be I-20 west 4 lanes wide.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloward–Piven_strategy#section_1
We’re in the collapse the system stage. Once that happens all bets are off.
Practically speaking, secession is hard because there is no “format” for how to secede in an orderly manner. So it would seem that the way to make secession a serious issue would be to suggest that a single state resolve a constitutional amendment to make secession and similar state rights an orderly process.
Then that state ask other states to join in passing their own resolutions affirming the right of states to peacefully secede. Such a resolution is not their demanding to secede, just creating a process by which it might happen.
A constitutional amendment to that effect.
I understand the primary general point Ron Paul is making, why support the bankruptcy of other less frugal states, when your own state is genuinely striving to make ends meet and keep it’s own budget balanced. Why does everyone have to support California’s lack of productivity?
I agree. I’ll also give Paul credit for not changing his position on secession one iota. At least the man has consistency.
Presuming one ignores Texas' formal, legal, renunciation of the right of secession about a 146 years ago. Perhaps Ron can lead a campaign to renounce the renunciation. It's a rather silly conversation.
Ron is so true blue to the Constitution, as in strict adherence, that he makes even conservatives squirm uncomfortably, an he is correct to the letter, on that and every other fiscal question when its placed side by side to the Constitution. Even, the hard stuff on foreign policy, that we think we don’t like, let’s face it, isn’t in the Constitution and funding our enemies to boot is just a cover for moving our money outside of the country in the most expeditious way possible without having to be questioned. That’s the way we’ve always done it.
Nothing could be farther from the truth. Paul's lack of historical knowledge is shocking.
I’m all for secession.
We could end up with 2 countries.
One composed of republicans and conservatives.
And one composed of liberals and progressives and communists.
The republican/conservative country could remain the U.S.A.
The liberal/progressive/communist country could be named “ASS” or American Socialist States.
Texas has the right to divide itself into four additional states. That is a hole card the Kenyan doesn’t like. Ten senators would really piss ‘em off.
https://www.tsl.state.tx.us/ref/abouttx/annexation/march1845.html
First, how many of the people who have signed these petitions would be willing to sign on if they believed that by doing so they faced the likelihood of being drawn and quartered if the movement fails? Those were the stakes faced by those who signed our Declaration. I suspect that most of the folks signing these online secession petitions are treating it like they might a grocery store petition to repeal a motorcycle helmet law. How many of these people are really prepared to die over this issue? How many are really just blowing off steam and relying on the First Amendment to save them from a traitor's execution?
Second, believing as I do that this movement is likely to go the way of the hula hoop, will the conservative movement be damaged if it becomes associated with what is inherently an expression of hostility to the United States of America? Isn't that what crippled the Democrats after what they did in the sixties and early seventies to oppose the USA's foreign policy? Are conservatives permanently immune to any taint unpatriotism?
I would have a lot more respect for the secession movement if I thought that a significant number of people were really prepared to pledge their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor. Right now, it feels more like another "cool thing to do." If it doesn't work, I hope that the conservatives don't get left holding the bag.
Ron Paul does have his lucid moments. I can’t see secession working unless a lot of States with shared borders did it. The government would actually decide to control the borders of isolated States to prevent them from engaging in commerce - they would put up a siege like no siege in history.
Not true. Southerners accused them of treason for wanting to secede. Sound familiar?