Posted on 11/07/2012 3:49:11 PM PST by MadIsh32
In his re-election victory, Democrat Barack Obama narrowly defeated Republican Mitt Romney in the national popular vote (50% to 48%)1. Obama’s margin of victory was much smaller than in 2008 when he defeated John McCain by a 53% to 46% margin, and he lost ground among white evangelical Protestants and white Catholics.
But the basic religious contours of the 2012 electorate resemble recent elections – traditionally Republican groups such as white evangelicals and weekly churchgoers strongly backed Romney, while traditionally Democratic groups such as black Protestants, Hispanic Catholics, Jews and the religiously unaffiliated backed Obama by large margins.
You've already been given several reasons. Because I don't have a plank in my eye, I have seen them. What's your explanation?
Is reading comprehension a weak area for you? Lera never said she voted for Obama. In fact, she gave a very plausible explanation for why some Hispanic Evangelicals might do so. I think DU is more your style, at least from what I have been reading from you lately.
Perhaps now we can blame the Tea Party: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2958135/posts; its about as logical.
Republicans fought hard and lost an important battle. Now we’re all shooting at each other.
Cronos, don’t you see? As Lera explained, any Hispanic evangelicals who voted for Obama did so only because, at some point in their lives, they must’ve been Roman Catholic. Or, if they themselves weren’t Roman Catholic, then their parents must’ve been Roman Catholic. Or, you know, the Roman Catholic Church had some influence on their thinking somewhere at some point. You see, there can be no other explanation. The “evil” Catholic Church must be at fault somewhere.
Then again, if someone has leftist ideas, and the Catholic Church preaches those ideas, then why would that person leave the Catholic Church to become evangelical protestant? Hmmm... Maybe that’s because the nuns teach us to lie and all. ;-) (lol)
LOL... All sarcasm aside, sorry, but I’m just trying to point out how ridiculous this blame game is getting here.
One might say, well at least he's not RC, but Teddy was, and still got elected year after year BY CATHOLICS! Kerry is Catholic, Pelosi is Catholic, Biden is Catholic, and they consistently vote to kill children and support sodomy. Why is absolutely NOTHING EVER said to them?
We live in a lost world, I understand that, but what is the RC Church's role in the world? Is it to go along to get along, or is it to represent the Will of God on Earth? IMHO, you can't get there in silence. Apparently the church thinks they can sneak in the back door and God won't notice.
The arrogance of the church is to think they are somehow not accountable to God as the culture slides into Gomorrah. To act as if it's somehow the prots fault that Catholics voted by 50% to thumb their nose at God, is just childish. I can't deal with prots or Mormons, or even the American Indian, but I would hope my denomination would speak out AND ACT when the pew warmers scoff at God. The speaking is a whisper and the acting is nonexistent.
You are missing my point if you keep throwing figures out about prots and others. MY concern is over the reaction of the RC's to outright rebellion.
I assure you that I have never done any such thing.
Indeed, no one was blaming Jewish voters for the Romney loss because, as you point out above, that demographic is so small. The article itself was merely telling us the results of a study on "how the faithful voted." The first few comments complained about the large percentage of the Jewish vote for Obama. That doesn't mean that demographic has much to do with the loss, though.
The first few commenters didn't say what faith they themselves hold. I don't see Catholics pointing fingers at anyone. Your first post was the first to mention Catholics and to blame them. Btw, I see nothing wrong with you or anyone pointing out that a majority of Catholics voted Dem. It's an interesting discussion to have. But, based on your comments, you really, really (and I mean, REALLY) do not like the Catholic Church.
As was pointed out earlier, many people claim to be Catholic when they no longer attend Mass nor hold Catholic beliefs. A study commissioned by the Faith & Freedom Coalition (Ralph Reed's group) determined that the majority of church-going Catholics voted for Romney.
Pro_27:6 Faithful are the wounds of a friend; but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful.
See if you can figure out what that means and why I am trying to warn the people who claim to follow Christ but are dead asleep and love to listen to the kisses of their enemies meanwhile calling Bible believers their enemies
Wow. You figured that out. What do you think has happened in this country? God has been kicked out. Now, go serve as a military chaplain. Your are preaching to the choir.
Nah, hardly damage control.
The majority of Catholics voted for Trump - what about your particular flavor of Christianity? Or is it a church of 1, so 100% voting for T?
The majority of Catholics voted for Trump - what about your particular flavor of Christianity? Or is it a church of 1, so 100% voting for T?
So you respond to a 2012 post in you effectively which attacked 20% of evangelicals for voting like a majority of Catholics did , by invoking how a majority (60%) of Catholics voted for Trump, when 81% of evangelicals voted for him?
Just how does that refute the argument that "that evangelicals are more conservative," that evangelicals voted far more conservative than Catholics - and still do? And how does that support your wishful assertion that, "yes, every one of your statements is proven false"???
pewresearch.org
https://www.prri.org/spotlight/religion-and-the-2024-presidential-election/
And the difference between “whites” and “hispanics” are more or less the same whether they are Catholic or Protestant.
Meaning in the last election, Hispanic Catholics voted 43% for Trump, 55% for Harris (which was worse in the past) versus Hispanic Protestants at 63% for Trump and 37% for Harris. And Hispanic Catholics voted more heavily for the Dems in the past.
Showing once again, without contradiction, that than White evangelicals voted more conservative than White Catholics, even among those who attend religious services monthly or more.
So just how does your desperate recourse to Hispanic Catholics help you disprove the statement that "that evangelicals are more conservative," that evangelicals voted far more conservative than Catholics, and validate your wishful assertion that, "yes, every one of your statements is proven false"???
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