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'Star Trek' fusion impulse engine in the works (Travel to Mars in 6 Weeks)
Cnet ^ | 10/2.2012 | Cnet

Posted on 10/03/2012 3:52:03 PM PDT by Dallas59

There's a hierarchy of "Star Trek" inventions we would like to see become reality. We already have voice-controlled computers and communicators in the form of smartphones. A working Holodeck is under development. Now, how about we get some impulse engines for our starships?

The University of Alabama in Huntsville's Aerophysics Research Center, NASA, Boeing, and Oak Ridge National Laboratory are collaborating on a project to produce nuclear fusion impulse rocket engines. It's no warp drive, but it would get us around the galaxy a lot quicker than current technologies.

According to Txchnologist, the scientists are hoping to make impulse drive a reality by 2030. It would be capable of taking a spacecraft from Earth to Mars in as little as six weeks.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.cnet.com ...


TOPICS: Science
KEYWORDS: engines; mars; sciencefiction; spacetravel; startrek; stringtheory
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To: Dallas59
Only the Romulan Bird-of-Prey runs on simple impulse,we ain't no stickin'Romulans!
21 posted on 10/03/2012 4:23:30 PM PDT by mdittmar
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To: Dallas59

DANGER: Impulse Engine Overload Causes 97 Megaton Explosion.

22 posted on 10/03/2012 4:25:07 PM PDT by mikrofon (RIP, Bill Windom)
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To: central_va

... hence the deflector shields...


23 posted on 10/03/2012 4:26:12 PM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: Williams
Mars is about 2 1/2 days away if you have a majikal 1 gee continuous thrust rocket.

/johnny

24 posted on 10/03/2012 4:29:58 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: BobL

There was an article here the other day where someone hypothesized that a ship with warp capabilities could be built.

http://www.space.com/17628-warp-drive-possible-interstellar-spaceflight.html


25 posted on 10/03/2012 4:34:26 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: Dallas59

Science fiction is great. It takes dreams and makes them, well, into books and movies. Dream on!


26 posted on 10/03/2012 4:36:51 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth
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To: WorkingClassFilth
Science fiction is great.

All I know is that we'll never fly, travel under the sea anything called a "Nautilus", talk to each other with little flip top "communicators", have talking computers, harness the atom, or go to the moon.

27 posted on 10/03/2012 4:41:29 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (Who's the bigger enemy of the American People? islam or the media?)
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To: Williams

It’s not crazy, it’s really the only thing we have unless you build the ship in orbit. The amount of fuel required to get to even low Earth-orbit requires such a huge thrust/weight ratio that your payload can’t be more than a small percentage of the weight of the spacecraft. That payload is anything that isn’t fuel or fuel containment, so a real “engine” is pretty much out of the question unless you’re launching from a platform in space where you’ve been able to assemble your spacecraft from multiple Earth-based launches.


28 posted on 10/03/2012 4:41:29 PM PDT by FredZarguna (And that's the end of our show. Doink.)
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To: Williams
If you just have an engine that can operate for the whole trip as needed, you are there in a few weeks.

You can do that with an ion engine, but it is such low thrust it all ends up being the same anyway.

In practice, even with a super-scifi engine you still don't need to run it very often -- it isn't like you have anything slowing you down you need to compensate for.

The only real reason to run your engines the whole time would be to provide artificial "gravity" via acceleration. And if you have the technology to do that you probably have the technology to create artificial gravity anyway.

29 posted on 10/03/2012 4:41:48 PM PDT by hopespringseternal
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To: Dallas59
Ok, so we're tootin' along at 0.25 x c (speed of light).

All of a sudden, there's an asteroid right in front of us.....what to do?

30 posted on 10/03/2012 4:46:42 PM PDT by stboz
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To: stboz
All of a sudden, there's an asteroid right in front of us.....what to do?

Same thing you would do if you were running into the path of one as you drove to work in the morning. The likelihood of you running into one in either instance remains about the same.

31 posted on 10/03/2012 4:50:28 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (Who's the bigger enemy of the American People? islam or the media?)
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To: Dallas59
from Earth to Mars in as little as six weeks

But the problem is, because of orbital mechanics, you have to wait ON Mars for 15 months before Earth and Mars re-align properly for the return flight.

So even with super-fast engines, it's still a long, multi-year trip. The longest time humans have been in a confined space is a lot less than that, and as some of the Soviet flights showed, fighting among the confined crew becomes a problem.


32 posted on 10/03/2012 4:52:45 PM PDT by canuck_conservative
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To: BobL
I never could figure out how Impulse Engines worked on Star Trek - I only knew they didn’t hold a candle to Warp Drive.

A quick internet search turns up a rocket science term known as "specific impulse," which has dimensions of seconds; this somewhat enigmatic dimension expands into "pound per pound per second" or

lb
--------
lb/sec

Here the numerator represents "pounds of thrust" and the denominator represents "pounds per second of fuel consumption."

Specific impulse is a single catch-all parameter for measuring the value/quality of a rocket engine and its fuel supply. The higher the specific impulse, the longer the engine will generate a particular thrust level on the same quantity of fuel.

"Impulse" is also an engineering quantity. It's dimensions are force·time, or lb·sec in the units used above; these are also the units of momentum. Interestingly, these dimensions are identical to m·v, mass times velocity, which relates to the amount of mass ejected from a rocket engine times the velocity at which the mass leaves the engine.

Anyway, I've always assumed (as a long-ago avid viewer of ST-TOS) that "impulse power" or "impulse engines" were classical rocket engines, although probably using some energy source far in advance of the chemical reactions we have mostly used in earthly space programs over the years.

"Warp Drive" seems to be based on some sort of bending or twisting of the space-time continuum, and thus is not limited by the speed of light. I remember reading long ago that "warp factor W" meant the speed of light times two raised to the power of W:

V = 2W·C

Thus when Captain Kirk called out "Warp factor 7 Mr. Scott" he was telling Scotty to make turns for 128 times the speed of light.

33 posted on 10/03/2012 4:53:09 PM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: Sirius Lee

My friend, civilization is about to be snuffed out. Science might (that’s a big might) under conditions of peace and prosperity, but these ain’t them times. Besides, too much science is given to shopping for grants. Buying headlines from some lab looking for cash is hardly reaching for the stars.


34 posted on 10/03/2012 4:58:30 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth
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To: Dallas59

You can get there even faster if you don’t worry about how you slow down... SPLAT!


35 posted on 10/03/2012 4:58:45 PM PDT by irishtenor (Everything in moderation, however, too much whiskey is just enough... Mark Twain)
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To: WorkingClassFilth
Science fiction does much more than that. It leads children into becoming scientists that create what was imagined.

/johnny

36 posted on 10/03/2012 5:00:34 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: WorkingClassFilth
My friend, civilization is about to be snuffed out.

When, exactly. Prove it.

37 posted on 10/03/2012 5:05:16 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (Who's the bigger enemy of the American People? islam or the media?)
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To: stboz

Bend over and kiss your asteroid good bye.


38 posted on 10/03/2012 5:06:05 PM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class!)
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To: Williams

“If you just have an engine that can operate for the whole trip as needed, you are there in a few weeks.”

I didn’t read the article, but assuming a nuclear engine - perhaps then we could also LEAVE mars. As it is now with a rocket - you can check in, but never check out. Although I imagine you would have some intrepid explorers that would take on the mission. Set up a permanent camp, be resupplied from earth, etc.


39 posted on 10/03/2012 5:10:44 PM PDT by 21twelve (So I [God] gave them over to their stubborn hearts to follow their own devices. Psalm 81:12)
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To: WorkingClassFilth
My friend, civilization is about to be snuffed out.

Only for pessimists.

/johnny

40 posted on 10/03/2012 5:17:29 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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