In fact Star Trek, particularly the universe of the later The Next Generation movies and indeed the entire TNG television series that went out in the late eighties and early nineties, is a particularly, peculiarly and almost unbearably saccharine, socialist world, at pains to underscore its rejection of money and the moral good of exploration for its own sake.
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I recall one TNG episode where the Enterprise finds a adrift ship with people who had terminal diseases and had been in cryogenic sleep until there would be a cure in the future. Picard reams of the guys who wants to get back to Earth and his financial holdings. Picard says “your bank no longer exists”.
I recall one TNG episode where the Enterprise finds a adrift ship with people who had terminal diseases and had been in cryogenic sleep until there would be a cure in the future. Picard reams of the guys who wants to get back to Earth and his financial holdings. Picard says “your bank no longer exists”.
“I recently watched Starship Troopers for the first time. It’s brilliant, isn’t it?”
The book Starship troopers is a classic.
The movie is pure crap. Thats enough to let me know the writer is a fool.
“is a particularly, peculiarly and almost unbearably saccharine, socialist world, at pains to underscore its rejection of money and the moral good of exploration for its own sake.”
and yet some people always have more than others, why is that?
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Guy loses any credibility as far as discussing science fiction by starting off praising the inexcusable Starship Troopers movie. Means he never read the actual book, which is a pretty good indicator of how little SF he reads.
Now, he does have a point about the PC-ness in Next Generation, which later Star Trek shows especially DS9 kind of undercut.
I was a big fan of the original series. After watching the premier episode of tng, I dubbed it “Star Trek for women”.
Although the world of Star Trek TNG seems socialistic, remember that the most memorable villains ~ The Borg Collective, represented communism; utter collectivism. I think a reason for the phoniness of the world in Star Trek is that the writers/creators could not envision how capitalism would work in a world in which robots/androids did all the heavy lifting. Food and drink could be produced artificially. What sorts of jobs could they portray? The only jobs left to depict were Starfleet assignments.
It's Heinlein. You want no PC try Stranger in a Strange Land.
Heinlein to me is the best. Period.
I am a trekkie since the original series in the 1960s. I agree that some of the versions of Star Trek were not that good. However, the last version, Star Trek Enterprise, I thought was the best as Captain Archer embodied the spirit of adventure, exploration and even rebellion that has been part of the American ethos since we started our trek across the continent. The way the Vulcans were depicted in that series as controlling know-it all elites to me was a perfect example of the liberal nanny state.
Please, even the original ST engaged in social engineering.
Recall Frank Gorshin’s character...
As far as TNG goes, that was Gene Roddenberry's fault. The writers wanted to make the series more realistic but Gene was stuck on his utopia dream.
After Gene died, they continued to battle because some wanted to continue on with Gene's vision.
Roddenberry was a huge lib. His original series wasn't what he wanted that's why he went on to do TNG series. He could have only done that because of the success of his first series. The writers and network influences made that possible otherwise the series would have flopped and been forgotten if it had stayed on Gene's true vision.
Case closed.
From IMDB's quotes:
Captain Jean-Luc Picard: The economics of the future is somewhat different. You see, money doesn't exist in the 24th century.
Lily Sloane: No money? You mean, you don't get paid?
Captain Jean-Luc Picard: We work to better ourselves.
In my century, we don't succumb to revenge. We have a more evolved sensibility...
What claptrap, such wimpy liberal thinking. I work to better myself everyday and I still make money and I'm sure everyone else here could say the same. The two are not mutually exclusive.
Except for that scene in Star Trek: First Contact where Geordi LaForge comes face-to-face with his lifelong idol, Zephram Cochran, inventor of the warp drive.
Cochran turns out to be a vain, drunken, unpleasant man. Not at all what LaForge was expecting from the history books. When discussing how this all came about Cochran tells him point blank, “Do you think I did all this for humanity? For the sheer joy of exploration?” He then shakes his head and tells him “I did this because I wanted to get RICH!”
I found it an amazingly honest portrayal of why most important things happened in history.
Picard: “We’ve eliminated the need for money. We seek to better ourselves.”
Pure Marxism.
I don’t get the rejection of money. They were on start ships, what was there to buy?
When they were on DS9, the people paid with credits.